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What happened to Windows Mail? I can't find it in Windows 7???
What happened to Windows Mail? I can't find it in Windows 7???
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What am I supposed to use for e-mail?
- 이동됨Marilyn-Support EngineerMSFT, 중재자2009년 10월 2일 금요일 오후 7:54 (From:Getting Ready for Windows 7)
- 이동됨Chris.H - Support EngineerMSFT, 중재자2009년 10월 2일 금요일 오후 7:57 (From:Networking, e-mail, and getting online)
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- 로그인하여 투표15Windows 7 does not include an e-mail program. Windows Live Mail is now the successor to Windows Mail and is available free:
http://download.live.com/wlmail?wa=wsignin1.0
Carey Frisch- 답변으로 표시됨Steve Alter 2009년 5월 6일 수요일 오후 10:45
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You might want to check out Windows Live Mail (http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/Mail). It's a great desktop e-mail solution and works with multiple e-mail services like Hotmail, Gmail, AOL, etc.
- 답변으로 제안됨jeffreyx 2009년 6월 8일 월요일 오후 8:03
- 로그인하여 투표11There is no email client in Win7. MS is pushing their Live Mail solution which frankly I find dreadful. Thunderbird is a good free email client, but many people simply use GMail instead of a client.
MS-MVP - Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!- 답변으로 제안됨Mr. Microchip 2009년 11월 1일 일요일 오전 12:42
- 로그인하여 투표15Windows 7 does not include an e-mail program. Windows Live Mail is now the successor to Windows Mail and is available free:
http://download.live.com/wlmail?wa=wsignin1.0
Carey Frisch- 답변으로 표시됨Steve Alter 2009년 5월 6일 수요일 오후 10:45
- Can I use my pop3 mail account settings in W mail live?? if not where can I download the normal Windows Mail so I can transfer my messages and accounts to it from outlook express?
I loved outlook express, then reluctantly windows mail. but was forced else where WHEN I INSTALLED WINDOWS 7
I didn't like most of what i tried, so cranked up Outlook in my office 2007.
Best thing I ever did. now use most of it's features including Calendar, tasks and notes etc.
If you have a good look around at what it's got, then mess around with what you come across you get a few nice surprises.- Yes, you can use Windows Live Mail with a POP3 email account. You can't "download the normal Windows Mail" for Windows 7. You've been given quite a few alternate email client suggestions, all of which are free except for Outlook. Try several out to see which you like best.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients (an interesting list but unfortunately not categorized by operating system requirements)
MS-MVP - Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!- 답변으로 제안됨thomas0827 2009년 9월 22일 화요일 오후 7:59
- I totally agree with you! Live mail is dreadful & seems designed for kids. For a business user we don't want to share everything, so there is nothing like Outlook Express". Windows mail was a poor copy of that & now I also have resorted to using Outlook as my mail program. But its not so good also!
I find Microsoft barely listen to their users, and force people who are already happy with a platform, into something new. This is their obnoxious attitude within the Industry, and one of the reasons other software manufacturers are up in arms about them!
Vista was a failure, but every laptop manufacturer was forced to use it. I feel WIN 7 (if its a success) should be offered free to all Vista customers as compensation for being part of a 2 years failed experiment! Or should I say, guinea-pigs for WIN 7.
Bring back a decent mail program. I would also like to see Quick Launch. Copying Apple sucks!!
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- this link will tll you how to enable quick launch... http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/GettingReadyforWindows7/thread/92bb975e-a3ef-4ebc-83e4-0b8ef0854f06
- what about the PPL dont have Internet...they must get the Internet for that. so thats why microsoft introduce the office 2007 proffesional and ultimate for the users to use there email programs.
cheers@!!!!!!!!! - seems to me Microsoft doesn't include a mail program because of the sentences by the European Union for instance?
Windows Live Mail is OK to me. Design is good for most common tasks and POP and IMAP is supported. There is a link in your Start menu to get the Windows Live Essentials.
So what's the complaint about? A program for kids? Maybe they will put a better solution for those in Windows 7 Business Edition.
But everyone now has his or her mailprogram of choice. Outlook for instance is better for business people so they leave it up to you to choose for yourself! Don't trow away Windows7 just because of that fact.
And don't we all also have our mobile versions of Mail? What's the fuzz about here anyway.....? - Good Answer Lory, Windows 7 is a far leap ahead for MS, Now once the Internet Security Companies get on board Windows 7 will Rock. Hopefully 7 will not bee over-bearing in Price
- I find Windows Live Mail pretty nice for basic e-mail. It even has a calendar now, and tasks. It's obviously not Outlook, or Outlook Express, but for simple e-mail functions, it works, and it syncs better with Hotmail accounts than Outlook Connector. I'm still testing it before recommending it. Can someone tell me what am I missing? I don't wanna recommend something people will get tired of.
On the bright side, I've been using it (WLM) on Windows 7 (Version 2009 Build 14.0.8064.0206) and it's working perfectly so far.... oh wait! I did find a glitch. Something about contacts. Well, its working almost perfect!- 답변으로 제안됨sosmn 2009년 8월 28일 금요일 오전 3:06
- Gmail
Due to the antitrust lawsuits of Microsoft being a monopoly, optional features had to be removed from the default OS install. The Windows Live Services (Live mail) can be downloaded and installed for free and works like a superset of Outlook Express/Windows Mail. Even though the program wants to use a Live ID signin, it supports all the features that the previous email clients had.
- WLM is the best. It works with hotmail and clander perfectly. And I can setup safe sender list in WLM and it applies to all my linked accounts. And the list in saved online, so I don't have to set it up every time I reinstall WLM, since you can imagine I have being upgrading Vista to Alpha, Beta, and RC1. I honestly didn't use Outlook Express. It just feels too office like and it is not synced with hotmail nicely. I ended up using hotmail from IE until the Wave2 comes along. If you prefer Outlook, obviously you should just get the professional Outlook instead. The rest of us don't need such over kill software. And I find WLM simpiler to use for my casual need.
Every since Vista, it was rather confusing for me when both Vista and WL offers the same thing, Gallery and Mail. I think taking out overlaping features are less confusing and obviously less problems with law suits. - A REAL replacement! Thunderbird
A great email program, with add-ons for all kinds of stuff and its Open-Source (FREE).
I've been using it for several years, love it. There are major updates once a year.
My Add-Ons: Lightening (calendar), FTP, CLIPPINGS ( a really fantastic word and phrase Keeper).
If you are a long time MS-Outlook Express (or Office) user, you have a short learning curve.
Once hooked you'll never want to go back.
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ANOTHER Replacement: Open-Office (Open Source) for MS Office any version.
I let go of MS Office Suite in 2005, Absolutely no regrets! - I agree. I've been using Open Office for years now and can say that i will never be going back to MS Office in the near future. They'll have to come up with something really goooood to change my mind. It does everything MS office does and more. Just Google it and give it a go. why pay hundreds when the replacement is free.
A REAL replacement! Thunderbird
Everybody.. Just know that Thunderbird is a nice Email program but it is not good for those of you that have stored important emails etc and who are not surtain that you will keep using Thunderbird. this is because though Thunderbird is free of charge it is not really an Open-Source when it comes to the backup/storage files, this is because those files are not compatible with the other mayor email programs that are out there. (it is in fact a BIG hassle to revert/convert to a different email client ones you have gone Thunderbird)
A great email program, with add-ons for all kinds of stuff and its Open-Source (FREE).
I've been using it for several years, love it. There are major updates once a year.
My Add-Ons: Lightening (calendar), FTP, CLIPPINGS ( a really fantastic word and phrase Keeper).
If you are a long time MS-Outlook Express (or Office) user, you have a short learning curve.
Once hooked you'll never want to go back.
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ANOTHER Replacement: Open-Office (Open Source) for MS Office any version.
I let go of MS Office Suite in 2005, Absolutely no regrets!
again i will repeat i do think Thunderbird is a nice email client. but it is not, and i repeat, it is not 100% compatible with other email clients.
for those of you who consider changing from "MS Office" to "Open Office", wich i agree with, remeber that allso "OO" is not that compatible with "MSO" and the other way around, making it difficoult feks during an application or likewise if you use "OO" for you CV it might not look that good if the recipient of the CV reads it (or tries to read it) in "MSO"...
myself i would say.,, i really am going to miss "Windows Mail". (i have tried "WLM" but it just was not the same)...
peace.- Not again! Almost every new version of Windows comes with either a new address book or mail program (or both!) and of course the inevitable migration hassles (unless you buy every windows version MS issues, which I dont!). How can MS keep doing this? Obviously their email team is too large! I nearly upgraded to Thunderbird last time, this will force the decision.
MS please LISTEN to your customers. We dont want continually changing basic programs. Mail and calendar are commodity programs, get over it and stick with one program (with a common core between the 'business' and the 'consumer' version) do not keep forcing us to migrate.
Unbelievable! Not again! Almost every new version of Windows comes with either a new address book or mail program (or both!) and of course the inevitable migration hassles (unless you buy every windows version MS issues, which I dont!). How can MS keep doing this? Obviously their email team is too large! I nearly upgraded to Thunderbird last time, this will force the decision.
MS please LISTEN to your customers. We dont want continually changing basic programs. Mail and calendar are commodity programs, get over it and stick with one program (with a common core between the 'business' and the 'consumer' version) do not keep forcing us to migrate.
Unbelievable!
Waouh, don't overdo it mate. XP inherited Outlook Express from windows 2000, Vista has Windows Mail, and 7 has nothing; just the suggestion to use Windows Live Mail.
That makes roughly 2 to 3 email clients over almost a decade.
That sounds different from "Not again! Almost every new version of Windows comes with either a new address book or mail program".
You are free to use the email client you like. I continue to use Office Outlook, because it is compliant with my job, office and contacts. Thunderbird is not an option (for me anyway) in my working environment.
Regards
Rem- 답변으로 제안됨S.E 2009년 8월 6일 목요일 오전 7:31
I agree with Zeus76.
I've been using MS Office since version 97, then XP, 2003 and now 2007.
First installed Outlook with Office XP and I have never had any problems during reinstalls/upgrades. Just back-up the PST's and that's it.
I don't know why so many people are complaining over everything... one part complains they are "forced" to have an email program with Windows, now Microsoft decided (and were forced) not to include an email client and other several programs in the main installation of Windows.
Now people start complaining that "Windows doesn't have this and that..."
If it is such a hassle for you the just try Mac or Linux since they seem to have an "all-in" solution, which again should be illegal as it creates monopoly.
After all, we now have tons of options, just pick one and stick to it.
Also, some people complained that Microsoft is making them upgrade to new versions of their OS. Well, if you think you can pay enough to Intel, AMD, Electronic Arts, and other developers to create their programs for Windows 3.11, 95 or XP, then go ahead and do it.
Once a new OS is out there the companies gradually stop their support for the older one since it becomes obsolete. It is like driving a 40 years old car when you have the resources to buy a new one.
The main idea behind this is... DO NOT complain when you have something for free!
And about the use of Vista, all those laptops which came with Vista can be downgraded to XP; it is a matter of having the drivers during the install process.
Anyway... you decide what to use, I don't have a problem since using MS Office Outlook at home and in the office.
Have a good one!- 답변으로 제안됨hrhkee 2009년 6월 2일 화요일 오후 11:58
- Microsoft:
Please pay attention to this thread. Or should I say threat in the case of a few Linux proposers herein. WE THE PEOPLE need a mail client with the OS like you gave us IE to pull mail from wherever and use it to consolidate our busy lives. Windows Live does not cut it.
You do not have to be like Linux to beat linux but do not lose focus of what is the current offerings from Linux and company. MAC is waiting to pounce on how difficult it is to do simple things. Windows invented ease of use while doing great things - you need to return to your roots and give the people what they want.
We want Microsoft Mail and we want it syncing with WM6.
JM - You should really consider the GMail web client, but if you require a locally installed mail client, you should try out Thunderbird from www.mozilla.org (free, and robust)
http://www.gmail.com
http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/
- 편집됨MortenFraMoss 2009년 6월 3일 수요일 오전 2:47fixed hyperlinks
- Why not just download Outlook 2007 60-day trial here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/default.aspx
It's 100x better then Windows Mail and Live Mail.
You can also download Open Office Mail Client like Thunderbird or Evolution which has the power of Outlook BUT it's completely FREE.
You can download the complete Open Office suite here (for FREE): http://openoffice.org-suite.com/index.asp
To be hones i don't like Windows Live Mail alot, btw, i think that you should include contact sync (with Win.mobile) in WLM to, 'case i can't afford another office license, but i wish to sync my contact at home too. :)
anyway, i realy miss OutLook Express (rip)
Max from PesaroThe only thing I really liked about Vista was Windows Mail. Why couldn't Microsoft put that in Windows 7 instead of Live Mail?
I do not like Live Mail at all. Has all this junk in it - RSS Feeds, etc that I don't want.
Also what's with "Sync" instead of "Send and Receive Mail" ?
Please get all the Vista foilks away from Windows 7.
About Vista - I really hate Office 2007. I use Office 2003 and will keep on. Microsoft really messed up. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.- Windows Mail is installed in Windows7 RC1; its under C:/Windows Mail If you click to run the exe, nothing happens. Come on Microsoft.. don't force Windows Live with its ads on our personal email!
@ Cindy Rogers
Currently in our company we use both Office 2003 and 2007 and since we have the chance to compare them side to side I can tell you Office 2007 is much better than 2003. If the problem you have is with the menus then just install a patch to give you the old menu view.
I use Excel for reports every day and 2007 has tons of formulas, practically unlimited conditional formatting rules and many more features which now that I'm used to them I can't leave behind.
@ enable-windows-mail
Nobody is forcing Windows Live to you, but the laws are forcing Microsoft not to include a mail program with Windows. The problem is that Windows Mail was made to come with Windows Vista and not separately.
I used Windows Live Mail on a temp PC and it looked and worked great. Had both POP3 and IMAP and sync-ed with my Nokia phone perfectly.
Again, Microsoft are not even forcing you to use Vista or 7 so if you don't like how the new OS looks just don't install it!
The end justifies the means!@Mitak82....
There has never been any kind of "law" that says Microsoft cannot install or provide an email program; there was an issue with browsers, but never email. Antitrust laws that prohibit Microsoft from monopolies was to do with browser and the abililty to remove IE.
Microsoft is in fact providing an email program, Windows Live. Complete with ads and security risks.
Not everyone has the $$ to purchase Office or Outlook, so that is not a viable alternative neither. Outlook 2007 lost features; you are not forced to use via MSword. Go look at a source code of an email sent with Outlook2007.. incredible amount of coding. With Outlook 2003 the user was not forced to use Word as the editor for the email.
As far as your statement "Again, Microsoft are not even forcing you to use Vista or 7 so if you don't like how the new OS looks just don't install it!".. that is really not advice at all. As of October, any new computer that is purchased will have Windows 7, or at the very least Vista, so saying "don't install" it is irrelevant.
My point made above was overlooked as well.. I wonder why Microsoft is including Windows Mail in Windows 7 RC1. Overlooked or possibly something they may reconsider?- Ok so like a good lemming, I downloaded the 60 day trial of Outlook and sync worked with my windows mobile devices. Now what? TICK? TOCK? Until what? BOOM! Then No solution again. If I wanted to waste money I would buy Office for every device.
Someone please recommend a solution that works -
Let's say ...
1. I pay big bucks for Windows 7 Ultimate to run on my Netbook , WM6 is on my phone, Vista is on my Desktop at work and Vista Home at home (Why? because I am crazy and love to send my money to Microsoft. ok Maybe all this does some stuff some times and looks pretty/impressive.)
2. The people I consult want to run lean and mean like me but they have Blackberries, Windows Mobile phones, Iphones + what ever... but they have a simple criteria
a. They need to keep track of a lot of contacts. LIKE ME!
b. They do not want to spend any more money to get a SIMPLE function like syncing their phones with their computers.
What should they/we do???
And downloading a trial to sync..... is just dumb. What should we do - download this every 60 days... And for the record - it did not put them in Windows LIve Mail - contacts not even with the connector - either. I can force it and trick it but that defeats the purpose. IT MUST BE SIMPLE.
Now what? - Download and install Windows essentsal that will give you windows live email, or when you go online click on the little envelope and finish setting up mail
- Boy I must be real cranky today.
What I find the msot amusing is that the original poster was surprised that mail was gone after he installed 7.
Come on people. RUN THE COMPATABILITY WIZARD. MS is not hiding anything from you. It tells you right there: NO EMAIL CLIENT.
Do SOME research before installing W7 for crying out loud.
A quick poke around the MS site would have told you there is no mail client. - For home simply get MS Office 2003 and use Outlook. (Well under $100 on fleabay)
For years I've had the awful 'lite' email clients just sitting on my computers unused, good riddance!
As for open office, even my 13 year old after using OO for just a couple hours asked for MS Office because in his words "Open Office sucks!"
With Open Office you get what you pay for. For home simply get MS Office 2003 and use Outlook. (Well under $100 on fleabay)
For years I've had the awful 'lite' email clients just sitting on my computers unused, good riddance!
As for open office, even my 13 year old after using OO for just a couple hours asked for MS Office because in his words "Open Office sucks!"
With Open Office you get what you pay for.
Totally agree, have spent several months battling with OO and various open source clients that come with the many Linux distro's. None compare to the sophistication of Outlook or Live mail. The only one that comes close is Thunderbird, which introduces file compatibility issues as mentioned in earlier post. Honestly.....if you were previously using the basic Outlook Express which comes packaged with Windows, one you have used Live Mail for a while you will find it far more usefull. Added bonus of live mail is the opportunity to sync your local calander with an online calander through Live account. Only down fall of live calander is it doesn't support 'pop up' reminders, only email reminders which become a bit anoying if you add recurances.
thats my two bobs worth :)- been abit a,azed that the system cudnt send an email by default , no email client installed
on ther other side , for buizness use , u can install any client u like , so there is a huge opportunity to use anything suits u more
here , for about 5 years , im using mozilla thunderbird , its good to me and costs nothing - Windows Live Mail does at least allow one to add a UK English spell check, though it's a faff to add it. It lists all POPed email addresses separately but rather widely spaced, so if one has numerous email addressess popped, one has to scroll down a lot to see them all, however, it does offer Quick View, showing contents of the inbox, drafts, sent items, junk mail of all the accounts together. What is very inconvenient about Live Mail is that Quick View does not show all the contents of Deleted mail folders in one window, so to remove deleted emails, one has to individually check the deleted folder of each and every email address popped through it, one at a time .... very irritating if you have 15 or so different email addresses added there. Why, when it allows you to see all the inboxes etc in one page in Quick View, does it not offer the same for all Deleted folder emails? A major failing. I waste so much time trawling through my popped email accounts one at a time to empty deleted mail folders. It should be possible to empty deleted folders of all acounts in one action.
I don't have Win 7 yet, I installed Windows Live Mail on Vista because the email client in Vista did not allow a UK English dictionary spellcheck, only US English, which is no use at all to us Brits as our English is NOT the same as US English
Emma- 편집됨emma qt 2009년 6월 6일 토요일 오후 2:45
- Windows Live Mail does at least allow one to add a UK English spell check, though it's a faff to add it. It lists all POPed email addresses separately but rather widely spaced, so if one has numerous email addressess popped, one has to scroll down a lot to see them all, however, it does offer Quick View, showing contents of the inbox, drafts, sent items, junk mail of all the accounts together. What is very inconvenient about Live Mail is that Quick View does not show all the contents of all Deleted mail folders in one window, so to remove deleted emails, one has to individually check the deleted folder of each and every email address popped through it, one at a time .... very irritating if you have 15 or so different email addresses added there. Why, when it allows you to see all the inboxes etc in one page in Quick View, does it not offer the same for all Deleted folder emails? A major failing. I waste so much time trawling through my popped email accounts one at a time to empty deleted mail folders. It should be possible to empty deleted folders of all acounts in one action.
I don't have Win 7 yet, I installed Windows Live Mail on Vista because the email client in Vista did not allow a UK English dictionary spellcheck, only US English, which is no use at all to us Brits as our English is NOT the same as US English
Emma- 답변으로 제안됨Dick Lam 2009년 6월 7일 일요일 오전 11:41
- I qote your post 100% but the license for Office is proibitive for who whish to have just Outlook don't you think ?
so, i think, many ppls here wonder shy Microsoft didn't sell / distribuite Outlook, maybe express, alone, so i can sync the contact on my mobile, at home and at work, whitout spend one liter of blood :P
i think Windows Live Mail, is nice, but Outtlook Express saw mutch more nicer, esay to use, and better organized, expecially if you have more than one mail, have all that folders on the left is a mess.
in Italy we say "do not check the teeth in the mouth to the horse that they gifted to you" (+/- my english is so-so so excuse the translation :) )
I appreciate the fact that the Microsoft give us all this application for free, but i wish to see better product, specially 'cause i'm starting bored to ear
"mac do this, mac do that", while we can, but we haven't :-\
btw, wtf, i don't want a mac i love MS :)
Max from Pesaro - Hi Tonybkiwi,
I had installed Outlook 2007 as an e-mail client and it is good stuff, BUT.. When I want to save e-mail in some other format than HTML, which is first offered in the menu, then it starts blinking and it shows status "Not Responding". Then I use Task Manager and after that it works nicely. Did you have such experinces with Outlook 2007 and Windows & RC? I don't know how to solve this. I have tried ThunderBird and it runs vey nice, but it does not have Contacts, To Do Calendar and other nice stuff you had mentioned.
Thanks for help.
Milan59 You might want to check out Windows Live Mail (http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/Mail). It's a great desktop e-mail solution and works with multiple e-mail services like Hotmail, Gmail, AOL, etc.
IE8 which is in win 7 rc has an email client in it that seems to work fine.....- Given I HATE the washed out look that Windows Live mail has, I'm using the wave 2 one that I got off a torrent and just replaced files. Much better interface then the baby ____ the new one has
- The RC versions have Windows Mail disabled. Go to http://www.thewindows7site.com/ and get solutions for this, if you don't like Windows Live Mail.
@ Cindy Rogers
Currently in our company we use both Office 2003 and 2007 and since we have the chance to compare them side to side I can tell you Office 2007 is much better than 2003. If the problem you have is with the menus then just install a patch to give you the old menu view.
Hi - can you tell me where to find such a patch ? Been using 2007 fro a year now and really can't get used to it - the layout just feels counter-intuitive - and so it slows my work down considerably.
Back to mail - windows mail would 'do' as a personal client if only it supported spell checking - I use it but only because I don't like Live mail. Outlook is great - but really it is just TOO expensive to use as a personal email client - which doesn't benefit from being attached to exchange server.Since outlook express has been retired - couldn't we have that for free ? Or a nominal €1 / £1 / $1 ???
Please ?????
:-)
I use Outlook Express about a decade by now, as a major personal e-mail client of mine!
To be absolutely honest, all my most private and business e-mails are archived in it, in all this decade… Well, not all of them, quite occasionally I erase funny attachments, stuff that use most of the size of this e-mail database of mine... :)
So, in a decade I accumulate some 700MB of the cumulative e-mail database!
- Yes, Outlook Express is still surprisingly fast, believe me or not, well, I still did not rich 2GB size limit problem... :)
- And I had newer ever have problems with it, corrupt e-mail database, or any similar!!!
- And I know that someone will be shocked with this of my testimony and size now!!! :)
But, I attend and want that my important and very personal e-mails be offline, and not on some XY Server in some XY country.
Call me paranoid about "Big Brother", call me old fashion, call me ignorant about data safety and advances known today about keeping e-mails on some Secure double HDD safe-backuped Server far, far away, but, disregard everything, I regularly, one time in a month, backup my e-mails on my PC, and I still want to do that on this way...
Disregard everything that I wrote...
First in Win Vista you stripped from Windows Mail the "Contacts Layout" - even that was catastrophic enough – it crippled me and slower me by 50% all this time till today!
Than you offered the more crippled gadget for this kind of purpose, which was very bad actually – for e.g., I do not like the idea, that, just everybody can see just every time at my screen, in any place that I travel / go with my laptop, a personal names of my friends, collages, etc..., in a direct gadget over my Screen, and second, well, this gadget limit size by 80% of our Contacts on the screen...
Now, when I finally though that Windows 7 will finally clean puberty escapades of Microsoft software developers that eat to much sugar and implode in their excessive art gift nature, you brink the news: No more MS Outlook Express / MS Windows Mail – the MS WLM or MS Outlook rulez ONLY, at least concerning our Software products directly!!! :(
I mean, what will be next that you will strip that we use for years by now!?
Well, people sometimes like changes in IT, but, as long you do not use their conformity and took again the precious time for learning, work with something that works flawlessly for years / decade by now… – instead of that, give the possibility to have the previous way of doing things, and newest way, so let them to decide at their end computer just every single time with your finished product – The OS. Do not took them a leg, instead of that, let them to decide whether they will walk still with two of them, or even more of them! :)
Also, I know that it is not a theme here to talking about that, but, the some "drawing" Wallpapers (newly named officially as "Backgrounds"), that you deploy with Win7 RC is, honestly, offal. - Those "plastic babies" for e.g. are even scary for some children!
This art expression backgrounds in generally are a little bit odd in fact...
Question for Microsoft workers - I presume that some of this backgrounds is made for children, well, do any Microsoft worker have a child actually?
Go put your young child over Desktop to see those expressionist Backgrounds.
Some will be scared for sure...
Or we live in a new age that the more "sweeter" tone of picture, Tom & Jerry kind of design and similar is vanished for good from the face of the Earth...?
- Soon enough, this kind of stuff that put all us on our legs from our cradles in all our childhoods actually, will not be good for our children anymore, we have now the whole new stuff to show them and learn, certainly more aggressive one, or a little bit more sicky to cherish their little young and loving minds – whoa', maybe we will certainly have more chance and opportunity to create a future little criminal mind over this world... :)
And, to come back via Windows 7...
Finally, now the Windows Explorer looks much better than in Windows Vista.
Do not get me wrong, the Windows Explorer in Windows Vista comes with some good ideas, but, some main things were totally slowed users in generally.
- Finally we have arrows again to go Backward-Forward, furthermore, finally I see the main HDD or Partition letters more clearly and handy, and last, when I want that all my folders via my PC have a View-List, he will not change that ever by himself autonomously (Vista always change that, after few days, as Vista like it, and not as user like it, no matter what you do, press, set about that option, etc…)
And last two cherries on the top about Windows Explorer in Vista: When you work with folders or files with very long names, if you do not put Windows Explorer window on max. size, well, quite often the whole files (with that long names), in some folders, simply vanished from the screen, but appeared again really OK, the moment when you resize the Windows Explorer window to more in it size...
Than the Windows Explorer forcing "beauty" that every time forces files to be automatically in alphabetically order, when I put some file in some folder, he automatically and instantly, no matter what, put this file right into alphabetical order, but, sometimes I do not want that he do that just momentarily / instantly / automatically, as long I go out from that folder, and go back in it, then he normally rearrange everything into nice Alphabetical order...
And, of course, the so bitter subject, the almighty and bad voiced, his kingdom, the Administrator Account in Vista…
- Ok, he is deactivate by default because a security reason, because users repeatedly forget to put a strong password on it, because, it is a generally a security issue by it self……
- But, when, and if you, for some reason, finally activate it back, why users must see the Admin Account Name via normal & regular Login window, just every single time when they open their Computer?!
I mean, they know which persona maintain their PC, their know who is their Admin, but why you forcing them to look some stupid name of their Administrator on the Screen just every single time when they engage their Computers, why Admin Account cannot have the option, if he is really activated, to be seen only in Vista / Win7 Safe Mode!?
This is old stuff, this we all have in MSWinXP OS totally legally legitimately!
This was great and such a self-explanatory option… And you ruin it, well, at least if Vista is not in some Corporate Network surroundings… :(
And finally, well, I like Windows 7 in generally, it is much better than Vista!
But, the Outlook Express / Windows Mail is the major mistake to remove it, and than you will getting it back for 2-3 years, forcing all us that we will buy next version of Windows to get back something that we previously have already for years and pay for it, even repeatedly in already numerous Windows OS versions, from past till now…
And I really and unfortunately believe in nightmare, that you will really and finally launched Window 7 without it, and than put it back for 2-3 years, by some SP maybe, or, like I say it already, in a first version of Windows OS that will follow after Windows 7 - as the users will demanding it for sure!
- My question is why removing it in the first place?
- Why you do not let your users to decide whether they want to use online version - the MS VLM, or the same offline way MS OE/MS WM client, like all this years?
- Why you want to make again the "warm water" with something that works flawlessly for years, and why now, when you finally reached security level on stable and nice hold with it?!
This all "eradically" changes are so dreadfully, torture and headache for your users, and, if you remind me again with inevitable migration of e-mail database, I want to shut my head...
Nevertheless, I am experienced user; I work via IT field for years by now, just, go ask some average user about e-mails.
- Backup, transferring, migration, and, you believe that, disregard all that, they will be happy to keep their most personal e-mails stuff on some distant Server via MS WLM?
- Yes, people use their GMails, yes, people use the Yahoo Mails and similar – yes, they are all based via some distant Server to keep such an e-mails of them, but for totally personal or even business e-mails, I think that they will rather keep all that, still and totally in old fashion way offline, in their very own computers, and still do Backup of it of their own, or with help of more experienced IT users, if they do not know how to perform a Backup of it, or similar. Period.
And you will say, use MS Outlook instead, or some third party e-mail client.
There are plenty enough over market…
- Which part of the story you did not understand, people like the way they do things for years.
Don't you think that for that kind of purpose – to just eliminate MS OE/MS WM of the face of Win OS, you need to scribe, even some Referendum as much Referendum in the real government! :)
I think that MS OE/MS WM is much important for many MS Win User people over Globe, and that this fact deserve really respect even by you in MS, than to just decide that they will instantly be vanished by some temporally glitch or judgment eradicated opinion by some higher stuff personnel and his brain, directly in Microsoft.
What's next on my opinion...
The Windows Vista Start Orb is much nicer for me than the new Windows 7 Start Orb - I do not know why, maybe because Windows 7 has to excessive bright-pastel-bleached colors, but, this is just a cosmetic issue and private opinion of my own all here, many will like it... :)
~ Best regards to all!!!- Steve in order to be as lean as possible, Windows 7 does not contain these programs when installed. You need to go to http://download.live.com/ and download the Essentials Suite which contains all the applications that you will need such as Windows Live Mail, Live Messenger, Live Photo Gallery, Live Writer etc. These appications have been tailor made to work with Windows 7.
TG - You can use any e-mail program inside Windows Live Mail, Hotmail, gmail, yahoo, etc. It is the best e-mail program out there in my book and is so easy to configure as well.
- But you can't access your Hotmail account in Thunderbird and anyway, can you send picture e-mails from inside Thunderbird? And does it set up all your e-mail accounts easily just by inputting your username and password and without having to input any other info? Windows Live Mail is fabulous in my book to me you don't need any other e-mail program. RSS feeds and Newsgroups and now that it has its inbuilt calendar its fantastic! First port of call for me whenever I log on.
- @ hrhkee
I have the solution for you :)
1. Get any Windows or Mac OS you want;
2. Get a Nokia phone ("E" series is better for business);
3. Install PC Suite, or the Mac equivalent;
4. Sync with any email program you want to!
Cheers!
The end justifies the means! - If you don't use RSS then just ignore it! Lot's of e-mail programs intergrate everything like this, Thunderbird also contains RSS feeds and newsgroups. Sounds to me that you don't really like progress and want everything to stay the same. I love Office 2007 because the ribbon makes using everything so much easier.
- Your missing the point! If you want to use email, you need the internet anyway!
- Install. windows live mail, its works!!
I totally agree with you! Live mail is dreadful & seems designed for kids. For a business user we don't want to share everything, so there is nothing like Outlook Express". Windows mail was a poor copy of that & now I also have resorted to using Outlook as my mail program. But its not so good also!
I find Microsoft barely listen to their users, and force people who are already happy with a platform, into something new. This is their obnoxious attitude within the Industry, and one of the reasons other software manufacturers are up in arms about them!
Vista was a failure, but every laptop manufacturer was forced to use it. I feel WIN 7 (if its a success) should be offered free to all Vista customers as compensation for being part of a 2 years failed experiment! Or should I say, guinea-pigs for WIN 7.
Bring back a decent mail program. I would also like to see Quick Launch. Copying Apple sucks!!
1. Its mostly based on the hidous color scheme. Baby blue? Please! Even the web based veriosn with the childish headers. Not quite professional there.
2. Forcing users to move on from 10 year old platforms? No problem with that. You shouldnt be using 10 year old software anyway.
3. Vista was not a failure. People just did not know how to use it. (they expect their computer from 1998 to run it.)
4. Quick Launch is gone. Not comming back. Plus, you dont have to use the new taskbar, you can go back to the old view.- I like live mail, but I HATE the look of it. I hate it so much that I had to find a torrent for the older live mail (the one with actual colors in the command bar and with ICONS). I downloaded it and didn;t have to install anything. (it replaced the files)
So I hope microsoft gets the brains and gets darker color sceme back as an option, as well as options for icons in the command bar. Enough with the 1980s style text! - and? You can view gmail in windows live mail.
Quit trolling kid. Not helping - another reason why people hate the EU.
- I have read with interest people having a go about W7 and missing email software as in outlook. If you want outlook. Go back to XP use outlook and stop moaning.
I downloaded Office 2007 and it is running a dream with the outlook connector.
I agree W7 looks good from a operational point of view. Speed is improved. Too early to talk about stability only loaded it last week and hammering the heck out of it. But it does look as if it is designed for a child. It does not have the Business edge or look. Yes you can customise the desktop but on a roll out I dont want to do that.
and what ever happened to the lovely option of CLASIC VIEW for the desktop. i liked that. I got there in the end with shortcuts but if I can do it in a click. Dont make me click twice.
SO far so good. Outlook would of been nice especially for newsgroups. But hey.. lash on its a new OS. USE OUTLOOK - OK, I'm another of those complainers about the lack of Outlook Express. I have Windows 7 RC installed on another computer, and I tried the Windows Live Mail. I have to say that I want my Outlook Express back! Windows Live Mail is a poor substitute, and I do not understand why Microsoft would remove an application that works perfectly well for millions of home users. The old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," would appear to apply here. Did anyone at Microsft consult users before making this change? What legitimate rationale could Microsoft possibly have for trying to force a move to Windows Live Mail?
If I go to Windows 7 (released version) in the future, I certainly will not be using the Windows Live Mail. I will be using Thunderbird or another non-web based client. - Someone suggested if we don't like the changes Windows 7 is bringing, maybe we should switch to GNU/Linux. Actually I have been using GNU/Linux side by side with Windows for many years (all the way back to the early SLackware Linux of the mid 1990's). I currently have three PCs and one laptop. Two of the PCs are dual boot, one with Vista and Fedora Linux and the other with Windows 7 RC 1 and Ubuntu Linux. Linux is great for many things, including the huge number of free software development tools and the support for older hardware (e.g., an older HP laser printer which is still supported under Linux but is not supported in Vista). Windows is great because it generally works well and is supported by all of the hardware manufacturers (try getting many flatbed scanners to work in Linux). Many programs, including the vast majority of games, only work with Microsoft Windows. So, unless you are willing to accept some limitations in hardware and lose access perhaps to some of your favorite software, you may not be able to use GNU/Linux as your sole operating system.
- It's unfortunate isn't it. I like having a mail client because online email often has too many ads, doesn't handle aliases well or signatures or rich text in email.If I were Microsoft I'd make up my mind... and not force people to go looking for other solutions.. This is why they're always playing catchup.. why not just lead and innovate..?If your'e looking for a good email client that's not online go with Thunderbird.
It's unfortunate isn't it. I like having a mail client because online email often has too many ads, doesn't handle aliases well or signatures or rich text in email.
If I were Microsoft I'd make up my mind... and not force people to go looking for other solutions.. This is why they're always playing catchup.. why not just lead and innovate..?If your'e looking for a good email client that's not online go with Thunderbird.
I have the same problem about not having a mail program installed in windows.
I have tried Windows live mail on my vista... It totally f..ked everything up.
And I need to use a signature in some of the e-mails I am sending because of my work from my home.
I think I will stay with Windows Vista... I don't want to pay a lot of money for something that is a waste of time.
It is bad enough that there is a law about the browser... which I also just need to copy to a cd before I install the final version of Windows 7!!!- if ppl doesn't have internet then they haven't got use for checking email!
otherwhise use a mobile phone via mail client integrated in most phones nowadays. - Keep in mind outlook express IS windows live mail (just with a few features removed because microsoft didn;t find them "cool" enough). Though it seems they like a ugly as ____ washed out command bar with no choice for icons.
- How about you work on your spelling?
True, but most phones suck at it. The iPhone does it right. I just wish Microsoft could create an iphone friendly site for mail, or even a few pps - I would recommend Incredimail. It is a virtual clone of outlook express but with tons of cool smileys, letters, sounds, etc. Why Microsoft would get rid of Outlook Express is beyond me. None of the replacements, including Outlook from Office is as good. None of the replacements allows you to have seperate identidys that can be passworded and kept private as in Express. Incredimail works in Vista and Win 7 64 bit and you will feel like you still have Outlook Express. I used OE since it came out many years ago and was ticked off to no end when they removed it as is many other people I know. Incredimail is free as well. The free version does have an add at the bottom of all emails but to get a lifetime add free version it is only $20 and well worth it to me.
So thank you INCREDIMAIL!!!
Beazz - YEH IT DOES I HAVE ALL MY EMAILS ON WLM:)
- Yea I tried WLM and it sucked. I to put several emails on it and every single one was available for anyone that opened up WLM to see. You can create all the ID's you want, but they are all togehter. So whats the point? You also cannot keep the accounts hid. Once email is downloaded it's there for anyone to see. I'll stick with Incredimail since I have been a OE user since it began and like it and Incredimail is a virtual clone of it. To me Windows Mail stunk to high heaven and WLM is even worse.
I'd like to hear how you create and keep seperate multiple ID's under WLM as well as keep them from being able to be opened and read once downloaded? By that I mean able to download emails from non internet email accounts such as your comcast accounts onto your PC and keep them hidden once they have been downloaded? I had my comcast accounts and hotmail one under WLM passworded but all anyone had to do was click on WLM and it opened up and everything that had been downloaded was there for all to see. Are you saying you can make this not happen as in OL? Even the expensive Outlook included in MS Office could not have seperate passworded ID's that could not be viewed once downloaded to your PC.
Like I said, I'd love to know how you do this under WLM?
Thanks in advance
Beazz - As an IT person who has to maintain a large number of corporate offices in two cities, Microsoft's continual changing of applications with OS's is extremely annoying.
I have stopped one office at XP level, and will most likely stop the other offices at Vista. For as long as I can.
Even small issues when changing software becomes a very big deal when it has to be deployed, managed, converted, or fixed on many dozens of computers. And it usually has to be done manually for each workstation.
The common answer given here: switch to this software (live mail, etc.), may be perfectly fine for the home consumer who is purchasing a new computer, but for any large established corporations it just doesn't fly at all.
Upgrading large offices to Vista was bad enough, because so many things were messed up by MS (Windows Explorer is ghastly to use, and the continual "server" errors when transferring large files between workstations is unacceptable [the MS registry changes don't fix this!]).
Sure, it may be fine for me because I have to tell my corporate clients that it is going to cost them $x-amount-of-thousands-more for my extra time getting things working, so I end up making a lot more money on the deal, but in many cases that just means that they decide to either not upgrade or change to another vendor.
For security reasons the workstations are all tied down tight, and don't allow the users to install or run anything like Live, Messenger, etc.
The MS Live system goes against this type of business setup.
Trust me, it's not going to be as easy as just downloading Live Mail and everything will be just fine... - @ vasquito:
As far as I know, there are no Microsoft patches to change the office 2007 user interface to the older Office 2003, XP, etc, toolbars.
However there are 3rd party add-ins which supposedly will add a tab to your menu for you to use Office 2007 pretty much like older versions of MS Office.
Some are free of charge, and some you have to pay for. Do a search on your search engine for "Classic Menus for Office 2007," or words to that effect. You will find several to choose from.
Paul - Many posts re: Thunderbird and Open-Source. Why not go Open-Source all the way? Most Linux distros have office suite software and email clients. Lots to choose from.
MAS - The removal of OE is one of the stupidest decisions in a torrent of stupid decisions that started with the design of Vista in 2005/6.
Two problems:
1. the people making these decisions are too young to know anything, thus they make endless blunders now matter how high their IQs.
2. Microsoft has decided to push this "Live" ____ as the next big thing. Who cares if my "Live" mail will hook up with my web email accounts. I have them separate, on the web, for a reason. OE has been fiine for me; it's easy, it looks okay, it's fast enough, and if I need more advanced features I can run Agent.
So now it looks like Thunderbird. I've pretty much given up Int. Explorer, except for MSFT sites that they will not make compatible with FireFox. I will check out IncrediMail and whatever is on the Windows 7 site.... The removal of OE is one of the stupidest decisions in a torrent of stupid decisions that started with the design of Vista in 2005/6.
Two problems:
1. the people making these decisions are too young to know anything, thus they make endless blunders now matter how high their IQs.
2. Microsoft has decided to push this "Live" ____ as the next big thing. Who cares if my "Live" mail will hook up with my web email accounts. I have them separate, on the web, for a reason. OE has been fiine for me; it's easy, it looks okay, it's fast enough, and if I need more advanced features I can run Agent.
So now it looks like Thunderbird. I've pretty much given up Int. Explorer, except for MSFT sites that they will not make compatible with FireFox. I will check out IncrediMail and whatever is on the Windows 7 site....
The thing is, outlook express was never removed. It was renamed to Windows mail in vista, but was dropped for windows live. They were going to remove windows mail at one point but decided to keep it to "avoid confusion" as said by someone at Microsoft during the Windows live wave 3 beta. Guess what. it just caused MORE CONFUSION! they went and changed their minds about that, and changed their minds once more.
What Microsoft really needs to understand is, they need to stop making things over simplified. Stop making washed out bland UIs. Just get back to the basics.- what about the PPL dont have Internet...they must get the Internet for that. so thats why microsoft introduce the office 2007 proffesional and ultimate for the users to use there email programs.
cheers@!!!!!!!!!Sorry what???? I thought this thread was about a mail client. Mail clients rely in internet connections to recieve mail. People without internet will have little use for a mail client in the first place. - Windows Mail is most definately NOT OE. The big probelm I have with Windows mail and Live mail is there is NO secure identidy's. You can set up all you want but they are free for all to see once any mail has been downloaded. I bought a third party program for windows mail in order to give me back the secure Identity's but it was more of a pain to try and get working then it was worth. But then I have been useing a dual boot with Windows 7, which I like very much, and the only option is Live Mail which to me outright stinks. I'd use online email accounts exclusively before I used that piece of junk.
What MS needs to understand is that OE was and IS a very popular program and to get rid of it was one of the biggest bonehead moves in a long line of many for MS. I run Vista 64 bit and Win 7 64 bit and love both OS's. But the email situation with both stinks!!
Like I said, Incrediamil to the rescue!! ;-) I had used it many years ago but stopped because all the cool smileys and letters in it did not show up in hotmail and the like. However, now it all shoiws up like it appears on your home PC so that is what I will keep useing. There is NO learning curve at all if you are an OE user as it looks exactly the same!
2. The people I consult want to run lean and mean like me but they have Blackberries, Windows Mobile phones, Iphones + what ever... but they have a simple criteria
a. They need to keep track of a lot of contacts. LIKE ME!
b. They do not want to spend any more money to get a SIMPLE function like syncing their phones with their computers.
What should they/we do???
I'm one of those who don't want to spend money on a data plan to sync my Outlook calendar to my Verizon VX6700 PDA. I'm a jonny-come-lately with this technology and I'm also a senior on social security and a Realtor who isn't making much money so my funds are limited. I just need to keep my calendar with me for that (wishful thinking here) hot buyer I run across at the market, so I can shedule them on-the-spot.
I don't need email or web access on my PDA, just the Outlook calendar that I use on my notebook, and I don't need to update the calendar on my PDA. All I want is to be able to refer to the calendar on my PDA when I go somewhere that I can't use my laptop. I can do this using a USB cable, right? That doesn't require a data plan on the PDA, right?
If I can't do this with the Outlook calendar then I'm willing to use the Windows Live calendar if that would work. Can I sync the Windows Live calendar to my PDA without a data plan?
I appreciate any suggestions.
Any suggestions?
BJ Martens- The problem I found with Live Mail, is I can't change the language. Using color for colour, is unacceptable if you are writing in England. Apparently there is a registry fix. I bought Outlook.
Pete
the live mail program works but it makes backing up messages difficult, in outlook you could drag any number of messages out to a normal folder (like my documents) and then archive them off the PC inlive mail they have made it so you can only copy one message at a time, this is something I loathed if Thunderbird as it makes backing up more difficult. Well done Microsoft you have made your program less user friendly and made backing up mail more difficult!It seems that the basic argument in this thread is based on "please don't change things". Unfortunately, that's just not realistic.
Here's my take on things.
Microsoft is taking some features out of the base Windows install for two reasons; 1) to address EU and other monopoly claims and 2) to allow them to update some components of the OS in an easier manner.
I have always viewed the Windows Live Mail client as vNext of the built-in Windows Mail/Outlook Express client. Personally I find it works better and have migrated my personal accounts and my wife over to WLM. No complaints.
As for features:
- Security / Identities : don't share Windows logins - logout or use Switch User for soembody else to share your mail client. Identities in Outlook Express are a holdover from Windows 9x and imply security while really providing very little.
- Colors : Yup, they're kindof pastels. Not horrible but not sexy. WLM will use your Windows theme so pick a theme you want and WLM will fit right in.
- Viewing all your mail lumped together : that's a feature of quick views, each mailbox has its own Inbox folder/etc, you can just use those if you want. You can even add quick views for them.
- Windows Mobile Support : Frankly, no clue. I've used a BlackBerry for years and so does my wife. Yhave to remember, we're talking about non-released software and you may have to wait for something to actually ship in a final version to see full Windows Mobile support if it's not working today.
Ultimately, if you don't like it - use something else. Most people will wizard their way through something, learn to use it and be happy. Others will want Feature X to work like Product Y and they have the ability to switch products to use what works best for them.
Personally, I like the switch quite a bit, other people do as well and some may not. Some want more frequent updates, some are change-phobic. Microsoft, just like everybody else, can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time.- Sorry but you're just flat out wrong about the *please don't change things*. MS did not change OE. They REMOVED it period! The program was well liked and used. They should have made *changes* to the program to enhance it, NOT delete the dang program!!
And you have got to be kidding me. Now I am supposed to have to create entire new Windows ID's to compensate for MS piss poor way of doing business? And OE does supply a good level of security. No it will not keep out a determined professional hacker, but it will keep out those common prying eyes that would account for 99.9% of those trying to read your email. Naaaa, I'll just keep useing Incredimail like I said. They have the good sense to know they have a product people enjoy and keep enhancing it, NOT getting rid of it for something completely different. What MS has done is the equivalent of Burger King stopping selling hamburgers and telling it's loyal customers to eat fish sandwiches instead because that is better and it also comes with 2 slices of bread!! Duhhh - Well, you're definately entitled to your opinion. That's really what this is all about - opinions and preferences.
This is a matter of perception, but OE was "changed"to Windows Mail in Vista and subsequently to Windows Live Mail as a separate download. You have a point, the mail client is NOT on the Windows 7 CD, but it is easily downloaded. This is probably annoying to some, but I doubt it's quite as annoying as not shipping with a web browser - which is what's happening with W7 in Europe.
Onto the other part, I'm absolutely in no way whatsoevever kidding you as it pertains to Windows IDs (I don't mean Windows Live IDs, I mean logging onto your PC). There are plenty of security issues in addition to e-mail that are protected by having multiple IDs. Cached web site login IDs and the potential for user-installed spyware top the list, but obviously so do programs like Quicken/Microsoft Money/etc. Like you said, everyone is entitled to an opinion. OE had some security issues, but not that much. It needed an overhaul, that's all. I am not happy with WLM, and that has nothing to do with the "fancy" colours. It's the way the mail is organised. Backups can be a pain. I already used Office, but not Outlook. When I switched to make Windows 7 my primary OS, I also installed Outlook. Outlook is good, but is not exactly lightweight.
A nice alternative is Sylpheed 2.6.0-win32. Looks like OE, has some nice features, and is lightweight.
Regards
Rem- It seems apparent from many of these posts, that a number of people don't like webmail for a variety of reasons. It also seems apparent that many people would be prepared to buy Outlook Express as a separate program from Microsoft if such a program was available for the latest OS such as Windows 7.
Also there looks like some programs such as Thunderbird and Incredimail can be used as subsitutes for Outlook Express. However, you still have left unsatisfied a number of users that would like to continue to have to not migrate to some other program.
So the ball seems to be back in the Microsoft court. Does MS want to make some more money and sell a Windows 7 Outlook Express, or do they want their users to go elsewhere.
Personally I don't like the idea of web computing, having done it many years ago when the remote servers crashed and you were left with nothing. It is nice to have a word processing program on your home computer where you can type and print a document and not have to depend on some remote system.
There are obviously big differences between computer users that are strictly home users and those that are business users. It would appear that Microsoft needs to put a little more time into the home user preferences.
I sometimes wonder if the Outlook Express programmers have long since retired, and that the real problem is that the new programmers would be forced to rewrite the Outlook Express in the latests compilers, assemblers, etc. Heliv, stop talking; you obviously don't know what you're talking about, so stop wasting peoples time.
another reason why people hate the EU.
I have to comment here. The whole idea behind these Forums & threads is to discuss, share knowledge and opinions. That is what I signed up for. Not for judging other people and making unkind remarks. This stuff is inappropriate and absolutely uncalled for. THESE comments are a waste of peoples' time. Yes, people are allowed to vent AND choose to use whatever OS, email client, business application they want AND use it any way they want/need to.
Actually Outlook Express goes all the way back to Win 95 and Internet Explorer 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express I know wiki is not the best of credible sources but for something like this it does ok. This is probably one reason many of us OE users out there are really ticked over MS removing it. WE have all been useing it for well over a decade. I honestly do not remember ever useing anything else. Yes, I do have my Yahoo, Hotmail and Gmail accounts but I use them mainly for storage of serial codes and emails I may wish to save indefinately and small programs that fall under the 20MB per email limit for the paid for accounts under Yahoo and Hotmail that I have purchased over the years. IOW, they are just another source of a backup for me personally. Yea, I believe in backup ;-) I print, copy to CD/DVD and send to online sources for things I do not wish to lose. ;-)Not again! Almost every new version of Windows comes with either a new address book or mail program (or both!) and of course the inevitable migration hassles (unless you buy every windows version MS issues, which I dont!). How can MS keep doing this? Obviously their email team is too large! I nearly upgraded to Thunderbird last time, this will force the decision.
MS please LISTEN to your customers. We dont want continually changing basic programs. Mail and calendar are commodity programs, get over it and stick with one program (with a common core between the 'business' and the 'consumer' version) do not keep forcing us to migrate.
Unbelievable!
Waouh, don't overdo it mate. XP inherited Outlook Express from windows 2000, Vista has Windows Mail, and 7 has nothing; just the suggestion to use Windows Live Mail.
That makes roughly 2 to 3 email clients over almost a decade.
That sounds different from "Not again! Almost every new version of Windows comes with either a new address book or mail program".
You are free to use the email client you like. I continue to use Office Outlook, because it is compliant with my job, office and contacts. Thunderbird is not an option (for me anyway) in my working environment.
Regards
Rem
As for OE, I would have loved to see upgrades and enhancements to it to continue as they have over the last decade+. I upgrade every program I have when upgrades are available. So I am not opposed to progress as some may suggest. I would also be willing to even pay for OE in order to still keep it if that was an option. I'm sure millions of other consumers would as well. OE was a really well made and popular program and I really do not understand why MS would eliminate it as they have. ;-(( Or at least put back in seperate identitys in the new programs that are real seperate ID's that can be passworded and not opened or viewed without a password if that is what you choose. I think that is really my biggest beef with the new email clients offered up by MS.
I agree with you Rem ref the amount of email client changes. Don't know where the other guy gets that MS was constantly changing their email clients and address books with each version of windows. OE has been steady and around for well over a decade. I still have some of my old address books saved from early 2001-3 that work with the last OE version and they work with Incredimail as well ;-)
Take care,
BeazzYou can use any e-mail program inside Windows Live Mail, Hotmail, gmail, yahoo, etc. It is the best e-mail program out there in my book and is so easy to configure as well.
Yea, and once you have downloaded all your personal emails you do not wish for people to read, there they sit for anyone that opens it up regardless of a password to check the email accounts. Nothing you have previously downloaded is private. And sorry, I do not wish to create seperate windows ID's for everyone in my home and then have to install every friggin program for each one of them. That is simply not a solution to me as some have suggested. And I am sure someone is going to smart off about why I want a private email in m y own home. It's really simple. I expect some things in life to have a fair amount of privacy even from family members. My wife and children do not open my snail mail to read nor I theirs and it's not because anyone has anything to hide. It is simply common courtesy. Even family people deserve a reasonable amount of privacy in some areas and mail, be it electronic or snail, has always been considered private. My wife and children are entitled to privacy and so am I and everyone else.
Hi Chris,I totally agree with you! Live mail is dreadful & seems designed for kids. For a business user we don't want to share everything, so there is nothing like Outlook Express". Windows mail was a poor copy of that & now I also have resorted to using Outlook as my mail program. But its not so good also!
I find Microsoft barely listen to their users, and force people who are already happy with a platform, into something new. This is their obnoxious attitude within the Industry, and one of the reasons other software manufacturers are up in arms about them!
Vista was a failure, but every laptop manufacturer was forced to use it. I feel WIN 7 (if its a success) should be offered free to all Vista customers as compensation for being part of a 2 years failed experiment! Or should I say, guinea-pigs for WIN 7.
Bring back a decent mail program. I would also like to see Quick Launch. Copying Apple sucks!!
1. Its mostly based on the hidous color scheme. Baby blue? Please! Even the web based veriosn with the childish headers. Not quite professional there.
2. Forcing users to move on from 10 year old platforms? No problem with that. You shouldnt be using 10 year old software anyway.
3. Vista was not a failure. People just did not know how to use it. (they expect their computer from 1998 to run it.)
4. Quick Launch is gone. Not comming back. Plus, you dont have to use the new taskbar, you can go back to the old view.
1: I agree
2: Disagree somewhat. How old is Windows? How old is Norton? How old is Quicken? MS Office? etc., etc., They are ALL well over 10 years old BUT have been continually *upgraded*. They did not upgrade OE. They DELETED it. The age of a program is irrelevant if you ask me as long as it is a program with steady updates to keep up with the current operating systems and other tech.
3: Agree totally. I held off on Vista for well over a year till at least service pack 1 was out. The talk was so bad I didnt wish to have anything to do with it. I had also installed it as a beta from a Microsoft issued DVD and at that time hated it. NOT one piece of hardware I had would work wiht it. And I mean NOT one. No printers, scanners, digital cams. etc. So to me it was useless. Then on top of that after I decided it was useless and went to remove it from the partiton I had created and installed it on for a dual boot, it corrupted my original Windows XP and I had to reinstall everythin because of it. So needless to say I was NOT a happy camper over it. But once I bought it, I went ahead and made the leap from a 32 bot OS to Vista Home Premium 64 bit and have had absolutely NO problems at all. It installed flawlessly and everything I have works. I had to get a couple new drivers from the companys that make some of my devices mainly due to being 64 bit, but all were available. At the beta time even they did not have them so in my eyes it was silly for MS to even put the stupid thing out for people to try. I have a newer PC ( Core 2 duo running at 3.91 ghz on air, 8gb 1066 RAM running at 1093mhz, 4 HD's, 2 DVD burners, GTX 285 vcard, HT Omega Claro Halo XT sound card, Corsair 850 watt modular PS, Asus P5Q-E MBoard, several other usb devices like printers, scanners, port hubs, card readers, etc. ) I have made since that time to and gettin ready for another *upgrade* ;-) ( gonna either just go with a 3.0 quad core or go all the way and build entirely from scratch with the newer Core i7 CPU and all the new hardware I'd have to get to make it as well) Out of all the software I have, the only thing that did not work with Vista was Partition Magic. Not bad considering I always have a couple hundred GB's of just programs (data and files not included) installed on all my PCs. I also have Win 7 RC 64 bit installed on another HD and dual boot that with Vista and I love it as well. Have had not one problem with it either. Have a 7 year old scanner and the software that came with it that works on it as well!! Can't wait for the official release of Win 7 in October.
4: It may be gone, but that is also one of those things I liked better then the current way of getting to the same info. I also liked the scrolling flip screen view introduced under Vista that apparently has been removed under Win 7. Go figure huh? lol At any raTE, I like both OS's. Just not all that happy with some of the additions/subtractions MS has made. They certainly were not made based on their customers views/likes/dislikes.- I agree with BEAZZ here. I want to be able to leave my computer at home without having to worry about kids watching my mails. Creating different ID's for everyone at home is not an option.
I know lots of people love WLM, but as far as I'm concerned it is more like one of those free samples of coding you can find in sourcecodes coming with a development IDE.
I'm quite happy with Outlook, but it is a tad overkill for usage at home.
Bye
Rem - I've got Win7RC1 (64 bit) installed and have been doing some experimenting. Like many here I detest web based mail solutions. I need to keep my emails on my hard disk long term, plus I also send and receive a lot of messages with attachements, which makes web based mail system pretty useless. The closest I get to web based mail is my ISP's web based mail client, which I use to keep a check on my inbox if I'm away from home, but that's it. I've been using Outlook Express under WinXP at home and I use Outlook 2003 at work.
My experiments have been based around three things. Firstly, finding out about Windows Live Mail to get an idea of how it works. Second, to see if I can recreate an OE like environemnt in WLM. And third, to find out what the viable options for email are under Windows 7. This has also enabled me to answer some of the questions raised above. I should point out at this stage I am just an ordinary PC user. I have no link with Microsoft or any other software company and don't have any formal training on computers of any description.
A lot of people above seem to think WLM is a web based mail client. This is NOT the case. WLM is, in fact, much closer to OE than any form of web client. The way it displays does give the impression its online, but in actual fact its all coming from your local hard drive. Other people seem to think you need a Windows Live account to run WLM. Again, this is NOT the case. If you cancel the login to Windows Live when starting WLM for the first time it never asks you to log in again and runs quite happily without connecting to any Windows Live services outside the PC (you can unplug the Internet and, aside from sending or receiving mail of course, it works perfectly). My guess is the Windows Live login is to do with the Messenger add in. In fact, when I installed WLM I didn't install any other part of the Windows Live package. I don't use messenger (can't see the point - if its important use the phone, otherwise write an email and wait patiently for the reply), and I don't use any of the other Live features, so I didnt' want them cluttering up my hard disk.
The way WLM works by default is based around web based services. The default settings leave incoming messages on the server (the opposite of OE), which is no good for me. If I left them on the server my inbox would fill up inside a week. The option is still there to remove the messages from the server when downloaded to the PC. And when I found this I discovered how closely related WLM and OE are. If you go to the menu button (the one to the right of the paintbrush) and select the 'show menu bar' option you get nearly the same menus as OE appear above the button bar (there's one new one called 'Go'). The Account dialogue boxes (go to Accounts under the Tools menu) are virtually identical to thise in OE, and sitting under the advanced tab for each account is the option to remove or leave messages on the server where you would expect to find it. If you go to Options under the Tools menu, you find an options dialogue box that is very similar to the OE box. There are a few small differences (the Maintenance tab has gone to to be replaced by a Maintenance button under the Advanced tab), but things are so similar its a matter of moments to reconfigure all the options to match you're favourite OE setup.
The WLM mailboxes are one area where it differs greatly from OE. Under OE each folder was a separate file containing all the messages in the folder, with all files linked by a common index. In WLM the folder structure exists on the hard disk and each email is a separate file with a seemingly meaningless name. This is an extremely inefficient method of storing the messages as lots of small files tend to take up a disproportionately large amount of space. However, it does make backing the whole lot up easily (I don't know about restoring as I've not tried it) and you can pull out a single email file assuming you can find it. WLM mailboxes are also created on a one-per-account basis. So, if you have 7 email accounts you get 7 mailboxes, each with its own inbox, drafts, deleted items, sent items and junk mail folders. As has been mentioned above, this does make it difficult to manage several accounts easily if all are for the same person/subject/task. However, there is a solution. Just like OE, you can set up rules in WLM to do things when messages are sent or received. Under the menu button (mentioned above) go to Layout and select the Folder Pane option. Tick the Storage Folders option and a new set of folders appear in the list alongside the other account, quick view and outbox folders. If you then set up new folders in that area to suit yourself and then create email rules to move messages into that storage folder where you wand them on sending or receiving you get everything under the one folder structure almost like OE. Not an ideal solution, but its close enough to he usable.
Finally, for those who can't get on with WLM and really would much rather use OE, there is a solution. If you get Win7 Business or above (or for the time being the release candidate) you can download and install Virtual XP mode, which runs a version of (32bit) XP SP3 inside a virtual machine on top of Windows 7 including IE and OE. With the network connection suitably configured to give access to the Internet from within VirtualXP it is very simple to set up OE to send and receive email just as it has always done when running under XP. This is the solution I will be using, at least until I upgrade from the RC to an official version of Win7. The reason is I don't know what the official Win7 release is going to contain (there are still gaping holes in the help files), there's a chance the UK version of Win7 won't include internet connectivity, and I don't know what email solutions will be aeound at the time. So, I'm keeping my options open for the time being by using a format that most email programs can understand or import.
On the subject of IE not being installed in the European version of Win7, I really cannot see that happening. This would make Windows completely unusable and unsaleable. Here's the problem. Say I go out and buy a new PC loaded with Win7, take it home and connect it to my internet connection. I then find I have no browser (IE) installed, so I can't connect to the internet and therefore can't download anything. But I can't get a browser easily without connecting to the internet to download it, which leaves me pretty stuffed. The only solution then would be to go out and buy a CD containing browser software so I can install it onto the PC to connect to the internet, which in this day and age seem really daft. It would also give Linux and other OS's that include browsers an unfair advantage in the marketplace. Personally I think the solution is going to be far simpler. In much the same way Linux ships with several different competing browers and gives the user the option to choose which to install, I think Win7 will also come with the option of installing one of several different browsers. Alternatively, it might come with a heavily cut down browser that is there simply to enable the user to download and install the browser of their choice. Whatever the outcome, I really cannot see Windows 7 being sold in Europe without some means of getting on the internet.- 답변으로 제안됨feristoteles 2009년 7월 26일 일요일 오후 9:12
- It looks like Microsoft is poshing its self out of the software market with open office and os getting new users that they never had a hope of getting before.
I installed windows 7 on 1 of 5 pc's and was not at all happy I did a roll back to PX pro and if this is what Microsoft is offering and there will be no support for XP then I think I will move all my Pc's to Linex. - Also upset that windows 7 has no email . I have tried Thunderbird but it will not connect. Say's folder is being processed and then say's folder is being processed and then cannot establish connection. Thunderbird works well with Vista home premium. I think it may be easier to switch to a version of Linux . RCK.
Marks' post is spot-on.
I am a 15-year IT person, and after using W7RC for a while and installing WLM, you get close-to-OE performance and features from it.
Simply install just the WLM email client, skip over all of the Live ID stuff, then go into the settings and change everything over to emulate OE.
The result is a near-OE email application which will work just fine for 96% of people. It's free, it's MS, it works with W7.
Unfortunately, those who require more will most likely have to bump up to MS Outlook.
On the subject of IE not being installed in the European version of Win7, I really cannot see that happening. This would make Windows completely unusable and unsaleable. Here's the problem. Say I go out and buy a new PC loaded with Win7, take it home and connect it to my internet connection. I then find I have no browser (IE) installed, so I can't connect to the internet and therefore can't download anything. But I can't get a browser easily without connecting to the internet to download it, which leaves me pretty stuffed. The only solution then would be to go out and buy a CD containing browser software so I can install it onto the PC to connect to the internet, which in this day and age seem really daft. It would also give Linux and other OS's that include browsers an unfair advantage in the marketplace. Personally I think the solution is going to be far simpler. In much the same way Linux ships with several different competing browers and gives the user the option to choose which to install, I think Win7 will also come with the option of installing one of several different browsers. Alternatively, it might come with a heavily cut down browser that is there simply to enable the user to download and install the browser of their choice. Whatever the outcome, I really cannot see Windows 7 being sold in Europe without some means of getting on the internet.
This may already have been mentioned, but just incase.
We lucky Europeans will NOT be getting Internet Explorer within Windows 7. Due to a case by Sun, the European Court has ruled on it.
We are getting a "E" version (ie "Windows 7 Ultimate E") with NO Internet Explorer, we have to d/l it first and install it later.
I'm an very impressed with Windows 7, and was looking forward to it, but will NOT be buying an incomplete product.
I'll either stick with Vista, or pirate Windows 7, but I won't be paying for it (unless MS appeal and get IE back in)- I like TB also and installed it on Win7, works great. But now how do I sync my contacts from my Windows Mobile phone?
I can connect and sync (works much better as ever before) but I get a message that I do not have "association with an email program" <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Angsana New"; panose-1:2 2 6 3 5 4 5 2 3 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:roman; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:16777219 0 0 0 65537 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Angsana New";} @page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; mso-header-margin:36.0pt; mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> and that I should go to "Default programs" to make that association. But what do associate with what?
Email me at 전자 우편은 보이지 않는다 - Windows 7 does not come with a built in E-Mail client. If by Windows Mail, you mean Windows Live Mail, you can download that for free from the windows live website. Otherwise, you can install Microsoft Office, I used 2003 even though it was made for XP and it works Great!
- I had MSN Mail and it worked fine until the 7-13-09 updates. Now attachments won't open unless you save them to disk, which is a pain. I am trying the Live Mail but it as somewhat circuitous also. And worst of all, I cannot figure how to archive old emails that I choose to keep. Seems that I read that emails over 30 days old are deleted from their server. Is this true? How do you save old emails on your own hard drive?
Thanks,
Dave Calkins - I have installed Windows Live Mail (WLM) in Windows 7 RC and was pleasantly surprised by the much improved presentation.
In Vista WLM is cluttered up with Icons that I guess give it the look that has been attributed to being "for kids" in the foregoing dicussion.
(I class this new "ribbon bar" in that category too as do a number of my peers but then there is no way we could be described as a kids but I expect my grandkids might like it).
This to its credit the "for kid" look has gone from the version of WLM I downloaded and installed in Windows 7 RC and a more professional appearance has presented itself. The silly icon are no more I am pleased to report.
I guess the nightmare of all the confidential information in the Contacts list getting uploaded by the default of Signing in to MS Live is still there but I know from bitter experience with WLM Vista to go straight to Tools, Options... Connection tab and click the "Stop signing in" button before importing my Contacts. I feel it is the least I can do to protection their privacy in the face of WLM's complete disregard for it!
I have yet to try the Import & Export facilities in the Build 14 I have in Windows 7 but I am hoping that the corruption I encountered using these facilities in the Build 12 I have in Vista has been sorted out. The dreadful nesting of Storage Folder and Local Folder plus mind bending links that resulted previously in my losing some emails and corrurting Folder names was terrible incurring hours of time sorting it out. My experience with Exporting Contacts in Build 12 also is not good. For example if more than one email address is entered for a Contact, say a private one and a works one, only one gets exported. This is to a csv file and can easliy be verified in the csv file with Notepad, with Excel or OpenOffica Calc that I use at home. Initially I blamed the Import but the Import is bringing what the csv file contains. As I say this experience was with Build 12.... but in prepartion for the move to Build 14 for when my pre-ordered Windws 7 arrives so suffice it to say it was not a good start.
So far WLM in Windows 7 get my vote but be sure to click that "Stop signing in" button before confidential information gets uploaded without consulting you unless you are happy with the "How could you possibly not want this" philosophy.
Regards,
Les.- 답변으로 제안됨Rico31262 2009년 7월 25일 토요일 오전 12:35
- To save in the outlook you simply drag from outlook and drop in the folder that you wish to save it in.
You Can Do That In Windows Live Mail Program As Well :)
the live mail program works but it makes backing up messages difficult, in outlook you could drag any number of messages out to a normal folder (like my documents) and then archive them off the PC inlive mail they have made it so you can only copy one message at a time, this is something I loathed if Thunderbird as it makes backing up more difficult. Well done Microsoft you have made your program less user friendly and made backing up mail more difficult!- Sorry, but that's true... Windows Live Mail seems made for kids, and the most of us need a more serious solution. Users from last two decades had not get a little respect from MS while they change radically the interfaces within the popular applications or simply take them off the way (ie Outlook Express, my favourite email client since I had my first Windows 95 PC). I've seens similar situations with Office... finally I got some expertise in Excel applications on last three years, then they come with Office 2007 and send all my menu command bars to trash... and design a new interface which has scared too much users (including me). Again, an environment maybe made for new kids, but not thought for the veteran users, those who had set them in the place they have today as leaders.
Two more points: you can't force somebody who works at home to buy a Business or Enterprise OS version just to get a decent mail solution. Again, serious users need email for work, not for searching friends or getting updated about what's the new photo of somebody's pet. We need functionality, not strange and shining interfaces (in other words, stop the "wanna be Mac" attitude). And NO, that's not true: we DON'T all also have our mobile versions of Mail. Please remember that Windows is used in all the whole world, not just by a minority like Mac u$er$$$$... some of us don't need, can not (or simply don't want) be connected all the time... we can live without that.
Now, testing Windows 7, I've added some RAM to my PC and the system did not start anymore (just safe mode). My alternative platform (XP + SP3) has started without any problem and is running smooth...
Inevitable, I'm a bit disappointed... - Sorry, if I'm missing something please advise me... but WLM don't show 'Local folders' as Outlook Express did, so I can't create a folder outside my email accounts to organize my emails based on topics or age. This allow create folders only inside of the account folder, which in hotmail case (at least, I'd not tested on the others accounts yet) implies to create the folder in the server instead locally on my disk. That's not what I need... so, is not there another solution than move manually the '.eml' files outside the program, and check them one by one instead of getting organized into WML?
If this is the way it is, then WML is NOT the best. Thanks. - I agree with Cindy, except Vista and Office relationship she mentioned, they are not necessary a 'combo'. These are two different things whose don't have to work together. But, yes... they messed up it all... Office 2007 is a stinky mess, especially for 'veteran' users. I'll keep on 2003, waiting these guys won't invent some strange compatibility issue to force us to use some messy wrong-thought-innovation like Office 2007. One more time... please MS guys, listen the users...
- I can only agree with you feristoteles, about the "for kids" ribbon bars we get from MS these days even Paint in Windows 7 has gone crazy with no concise clear Menu bar any more but for some alternative reason, as I posted above, Windows Live Mail (build 14....) in Windows 7 where I have this version has dropped the awful "for kids" icons and is presented with a commercial looking set of menus. Altogther a new fresh look and I reckon designed to attract the business user.
The way to organise your emails now is in Storage folders but these may have to be turned on somewhere. I have them set up now but have forgotten how I did it. Once established the folder structure is much the same as that which you can create in Outlook Express and you most certainly can drag and drop to it.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Les. Hi Mitak82, thanks for your comments... I know some of the advantages you mentioned about Office 2007, they are true, but in fact, the interface (especifically menus) gets my stomach sick. I don't have enough time to be forced to a re-learning about the interface of a program I've been using for years...
Could you please give us some more information about the patch you talked about? Thanks a lot...- Because all these issues with the email migration and the menace of having tons of emails and personal attachments forced to be on-line, I had to move all of my messages to personal local folders (yes, I used Outllook Express for more than 10 years too) in order to keep them as backup, and delete them in hotmail account. So Hotmail can take those Gbs of inbox capacity and do with them whatever... now, Outlook Express is buried... believe me, I'm not happy for that.
- Just because you believe that Thunderbird's system for storing email isnt 100% compatible with other programs in no way makes it not "Open-Source". Right now you could write an extension to export Thunderbird mail to some closed source proprietary format like Outlook's PSD files.
Thunderbird has had the same storage system forever, while users of Microsoft solutions have had to endure differing storage systems between Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows Mail, and now Windows Live Mail. I would much rather keep my mail in a Thunderbird folder which I know can be backed up and moved to a new installation of Thunderbird on a new Windows 7 machine.
As for OO, most people distribute their CV's in PDF anyway, which OO could do long before MSO could.
Oh and one more thing: The mail storage format in Thunderbird is the MBOX format, a long used industry standard which MS could choose to support. One could say that all of the MS mail products are not 100% compatible with all other email clients.
I realize that I sound like I hate MS- I don't. I hate a lot of the things they do and the choices they make. All of my everyday machines are Windows. The Windows Mail disappearing act is a perfect example of a poor choice. This thread wouldnt exist if MS had just left OE alone.
- Not including a mail client in Windows 7 was only one of several remedies available to Microsoft. It is the remedy MS choose, they were not forced into it.
- Dave, please read details on the post above from Mark Rumsey... I was worried about this same point, but he mentioned the "Storage Folders" option... and I think this is (approximately) what I was looking for. Peace.
- If you are happy about Incredimail spying on you and the people you send mail to, then have at it.
Any email client that once claimed "an unrestricted, perpetual, irrevocable license to use, reproduce, display, perform, modify, transmit and distribute" any email sent using the program itself" should not be seriously considered by anyone for anything.
- THANK you for this. I soooo agree with Live Mail. Never liked it or its previous version - and I've seen a few :) Willl try this Thunderbird solution. Otherwise Windows 7 goes to the dump and I will sadly convert back to Vista. Or change my operating sytem....
- 1. I do NOT want to loog into a "social networking site" to access my mail.
2. I DO want to be able to use my email at work (won't allow Windows Live and I guess I'm NOT alone in that) and at home
3. Outlook is like a battle ship to use. Not impressed. Never been.
4. If the EU is a problem - give options. They have not done so.
I like Win 7 - now that I've solved - for now - my multiple screen difficulties. .... Welll.... it DID use my LiveID password without consulting me!!!! Hmmmmm - BUT I guess I will have to dump it. My email is my most important tool - this will not do. - Couldn't agree more!
- Yes! Agree!
I've had aaaallllll the Office suites - since the first one. And I've tried aaallll the upgrades of Outlook. Every time HOPING that NOW! But... it is just to cumbersome. Back to, at first, Outlook Express and then Windows Mail. Windows Live IS NOT an alternative. I want a standalone email system that is EASY AND QUICK - and from reading this page I guess I'm not alone.
Will probably change OS - email is THE MOST important function (that needs an Internet connection) I have I'd say. - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Excellent wording and summarisation!
Couldn't agree more. - It DID give the impression that there would be an EQUAL option. Windows LIVE is NOT equal. It is a social site that at least my company will NOT allow for security purposes.
- Flor download - not storing. AND for email not social networking....
- Couldn't agree more!
- THANK YOU! Will try. Maybe this will be my first step AWAY from Microsoft. Then they will have succeded, won't they?
- Exactly when it comes to Live MAIL. However, I DO like Windows Mail - and liked Outlook Express even more. Was hoping to a RETURN of some of the functionalities of Express in Win 7 - BOY what a mistake :)
- haha. that was a rather funny and apt :) Am in the process of downloading Incredimail as I write this. Thank you!
A few minutes later..... Downloaded. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU :))))) You have made my Monday a NICE one :) - Just installed IncrediMail as one person has suggested here. TRY THAT ONE! http://www.incredimail.com
- Yes, willingly give Incredimail all your contacts and mail. If it has Smilies it must be good.
While youre at it, take your firewall down too,and post your IP address here. Please also post your login and pass as well as your bank routing and account numbers.
- I got burned out on reading replies. This may have been answered. I don't use Outlook, Live Mail, etc. I go to the websites to check email. Right now with Vista I have to save attachments to hard drive to look at it but with the old XP it just opened up. How will W7 affect me?
- That is pure nonsense. Just how does Incredimail get your contacts and emails simply from useing their program? Either show some proof that this is possible and they are doing it, or stop posting it.
- I have no knowledge or experience of Incredimail but it could well do its uploading in much the same way as Windows Live Mail does with an uploader that get installed as part of the package.
I know having learnt the hard way that if you do not want your locally held Contacts in Windows Live Mail being uploaded by default to the Webmail Client (yes without asking you first) you have to stay offline after you have it installed until you have been to Tools, Options, Connection tab and clicked "Stop signing in". This should without any shadow of doubt be the default setting until the User decides otherwise but it is not. Once this is done and you have your Accounts, Storage Folders set up Windows Live Mail is very much a clone of Outlook Express and a visit to the Menus etc will soon reveal just how much of it is based on Outlook Express but to my mind it has had a very presentable face lift. The Windows Live Mail client does every thing Outlook Express did and you can set POP3 and SMTP servers for the accounts that need them. The Send and Receive functionality work as it should without ever Signing in so my advice is don't ever do it.
BTW the utility that I suspect to be responsible for the dastardly deed is called "Windows Live Upload Tool" and a look at Programs and features with Control Panel will show you if you have it installed. That is pure nonsense. Just how does Incredimail get your contacts and emails simply from useing their program? Either show some proof that this is possible and they are doing it, or stop posting it.
Well... did install Incredimail AND LIKED IT! BUT then after having read Jmoore2009 I did some research...... and unistalled. Was informed by someone though that that might not be enough to do a simple uninstall.
This is waht I found....
EULA & Privacy PolicyThe IncrediMail client stores what the policy refers to as "General Usage Patterns," including "the number of messages that a user sends; the number of messages that are read; what elements of the service are most often used; user log-in dates and time; and message size data." No personal data is collected, and the above collected data is used to improve the product and "conduct and publish aggregate, anonymous, market research results."[13][self-published source?][14][unreliable source?]
Verbiage from the EULA Incredimail users must accept in order to install the program is also a source of controversy, as this EULA provision at one time specifically granted the Incredimail corporation "an unrestricted, perpetual, irrevocable license to use, reproduce, display, perform, modify, transmit and distribute" any email sent using the program itself. This text has since been modified to restrict these rights grants more reasonably to unsolicited email sent to the Incredimail corporation. However the current EULA allows Incredimail to change the EULA at any time �without notice or release of new software� allowing Incredimail to do whatever they wish with users data without asking permissions beforehand.[original research?]
The EULA for Incredimail is available online at http://www.incredimail.com/english/termsofuse.asp, and can also be viewed by downloading the actual program and beginning the installation process.
SO now Win 7 UNFORTUNATELY is going out the door - cause it DOES make life faster and some programs do work better - adn Vista isgoing back on. NOT HAPPY....- My problem with Windows Live Mail has been with importing my Address Book from Outlook Express that I use with XP Home. I have a little over 300 contacts with most distributed over different Groups. When I imported the Address Book in WAB format I ended up with over 600 contacts! WLM's contact list would list contacts in both the main and group list as separate contacts and I ended up a lot of double and triple names for the same contact. It also ignored the <default> tag so I ended up with contacts using an old email address or address I did not want to use for that group. Deleting the extra contact would also delete that contact from it's group (not a good thing). I don't want to have to reenter all this info by hand!!!
John Knapp That is pure nonsense. Just how does Incredimail get your contacts and emails simply from useing their program? Either show some proof that this is possible and they are doing it, or stop posting it.
Sorry Beazz, but you seem not to live in the real world... some of this kind of free programs act like the trojans / adware / spyware / viruses do...
That's so easy... those ridiculous smileys (which we can live without, of course) are not always really pasted into the emails you send. Sometimes these are embedded into the message text being really a link to show them online. So, when you or your contact are checkinf the message, the program is searching the net, looking for the stup1d graph. The result: the machine which hosts the file catches your IP address, and then is just a question of time for harvest the info they need from you, in order to send ads or whatever they want... and that could be just the beginning. Fools hunting, I call this. Wiser users can live without that kind of "gifts"... the others are like the Trojan citizens, they accept any useless thing that comes "easy" or "free" or etc...
Some cases through the story: Gator, Messenger Plus... could somebody grow up the list?
Peace,
FERThanks Mitak82:
I see you understand the frustration (it is not for me but the people I serve.) I am a geek I get technology to do what I want when I want but it is not simple enough for my customers. The cost is another issue - the milking of the computer user in this the age of Linux is not wise. Freeware is not the answer either but the cost of Windows Ultimate in Vista or Windows 7 deserves features not gotchas.
Your recipe is a good choice but when I added it up... I think the Microsoft PAIN in the wallet worked out cheaper. My netbook was $300, Phone $140 ... leaves a lot to spend on Office 2007.
I see you got the point though - your answer could work no?
JM- I want to be the first to say it here...
There is a kid working on a solution to tie OO and Mozilla products to Windows Mobile and Iphone - I predict he/she will be filthy RICH.
When this solution hits the net, all my microsoft problems will vanish because I will have 5 machines in the house on Linux and then switch the platform I recommend for small and medium sized businesses who want the best value in computing - Linux.
MICROSOFT? Kapish?
Good! - Doesn't your internet provider provide you with this? I know Cox Cable has web mail which I use. Check with the company you are paying for interenet access for this. I know AOL also provides email as many of my friends use this. Even when I had dial up and used Net Zero, AT&T also both offer it. They are charging you for the connection and should also have email included in their fees.
- windows live mail found at www.download.live.com
- well i am using incred. mail for years and i am loving it.
- This is what seperates Windows from Mac OSX. Microsoft expects you to know how to go out and get free downloads but some of my customers dont have a clue where to start so they get charged my $50 hourly minimum for me to install free software on thier machines. Microsoft needs to have the Live apps as part of the OS Setup so users will be able to start with what they need to run an OS ... like Email =P ... what next, no browser =o lol
You people need to certainly wake up to a reality. WM and OE may be the default programs that come with Windows, but that doesn't mean that you don't have a choice in which email client you use. I am a big fan of Thunderbird, and I have used it for longer than I can remember. It has all the cool add-ons, and you can customize it to do pretty much anything, you can even download an add-on to make the contacts and mail sync up with Windows Mobile, which is really cool.
Open your eyes, THUNDERBIRD ALL THE WAY- Hey Ivomh2004,
I have my WM6 phone syncing with TB. You need an application called BirdieSync, it just tells the phone to sync with TB instead of outlook. Best of luck - Im fairly confident that people without the internet dont need email clients...?
- I live fine in the real world. Nothing you or the other guy say has any falidity to it. Incredimail is no different in the things it will allow you to put in your emails then OE or the full fledged Outlook. I could get on here and say when you use stationary in OL that is not really stationary but a secret spy program doing blah blah. That is all you are doing. I personally have the paid for version so my emails do not have advertisements in it. As for what was said about storing the contacts online like WLM, again, pure nonsense. How else is an online account suppose to keep track of your contact list if it is NOT online for Gods sake? If you are worried about that then you could never use Yahoo, Hotmail, etc etc. They ALL do this. There is no machine aside from my own ISP hosting my messages. I run a firewall, antivirus and 2 different trojan/spyware programs and they have never flagged Incredimail. They have however flagged Gator AND Messenger Plus everytime I ran a scan and they were on my PC. That's why I don't keep either of those programs on my computer.
If you don't wanna use IM, don't use it. But stop the nonsense of it now being some super duper spy program that no anti spyware program can seem to catch. Personally, I think it is you and a few others who don't live in the real world. ALL my emails are scanned prior to being sent and yet they are never flagged? Yea right, the Chinese must be behind IM huh? Show me something somewhere which proves what you say and I will certainly take heed of it. But for someone to simply say what you say without ANY supporting evidence othe rthen you just think thats what it's doing, is plain out misleading to people and nonsense. Either back up the claim or back off it.
Beazz - If you are so dissatisfied with all-things MS, just get Apple instead of whining because you don't get it.
- Yikes! NOOOOO! Heaven forbbid you should want to save you emails, contacts, attachments is a single, easily-managed file (like Outlook's PST). There are 3rd-part apps written specifically because of their format. They don't always work and you have to learn how to merge certain types of files. I had to do it for a customer, then I convinced him to finally purchase Outlook. What a breeze now. Standardization. Easy-to-manage, Add-ons to back up the ONE file regularly, and so on and so on...
- THANK YOU! It's the age-old problem with having computer-illiterate people learning how to use it without educating themselves with the readily-available, searchable help first. Classic. This is why techies have terms like 1D10T Error & PEBCAK.
As for what was said about storing the contacts online like WLM, again, pure nonsense. How else is an online account suppose to keep track of your contact list if it is NOT online for Gods sake?
Beazz
How to miss the point completely whilst having a rant!
I don't use the webmail client except on rare occasions I use Windows Live Mail locally on the machine where such confidential information about my Contacts details are kept as securely as I can make them. Up in on-lline storage where I for one would rarely need access to them is less secure as certain recent SPAM masquerading as some people lifted from less secure Contacts List bears witness.
In times when we are encouraged to protect our identities to limit the chances of fraud such on-line exposure is too risky for me.Vista was not a failed OS it was the people who failed it by not giving up their designed for windows xp computers was the problem, All talk and deep pockets. Vista worked great if you knew what you where doing in the first place. Alot of people I program their PC's talk on vista was garbage but don't face the fact of the garbage they don't get rid of their pc's and the garbage they like to run which causes problems. stop your myspace chats and bull and get into learning how to use your pc, then give me your answer about a OS, till then leave your comments out , LEARN TO USE A PC< DON"T USE IT JUST TO CHAT;.
- That is why I had to try it out for myself before I took advice off people. who can't even run windows xp right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Vista was not a failed OS it was the people who failed it by not giving up their designed for windows xp computers was the problem, All talk and deep pockets. Vista worked great if you knew what you where doing in the first place. Alot of people I program their PC's talk on vista was garbage but don't face the fact of the garbage they don't get rid of their pc's and the garbage they like to run which causes problems. stop your myspace chats and bull and get into learning how to use your pc, then give me your answer about a OS, till then leave your comments out , LEARN TO USE A PC< DON"T USE IT JUST TO CHAT;.
OK, ecology is not the topic here, but ... neither Vista was it. So you're one of those who believe that every time M$ come and change the OS version, all of our PCs must go to trash... please remember that not all of us earn your salary, neither it's our plan to just drown in e-waste. We have a little time and this is not a conscious attitude. Please,look beyond your nose...
PeaceYou are free to use the email client you like.
Actually, you AREN'T!
What if I want Outlook Express? How about Windows Mail & News?- Well, another problem I ran over these days using Win7 is, when connecting my Windows Mobile Smartphone to my PC it installs the Windows Mobile Device Center - but it keeps complaining that it needs a mail-client to work properly...
I tried installing those Windows Live Essentials, but it still keeps complaining... so no luck... I hope MS fixes this. - by Zeus76: and 7 has nothing;
That's also a change.
What they do -concerning all their changes -is a common way of driving a business.
They change new operating systems simply to make a sales purpose. That's the bare
truth. Superficial it is. But that's perhaps the only way to make an income.
Continously upgrading an existing OS would lead to a perfect optimized and error free
OS. Apparently, MS see no income in doing so.
As I moved the mouse passing "Propose As Answer" my finger accidently pressed the
left mouse-buttom. I don't know how to blot out the resulting sentence.
/se - Unfortunately, if you are among those who do NOT use all the add-ons to email, every version of Windows mail AFTER Outlook Express has an array of options and pre-sets, and assorted other features that I personally do not use.
If it is at all possible, I will continue trying to use Outlook Express. It is fast, clean, reliable, quite configurable, and does not have the window cluttered up with items I have never used, or tried and do not have any use for. I do not like musical or audio messages, or animated emoticons, or smilies for that matter. I just like to type in messages and send them, and to receive messages and read them.
Although several changes can be implemented to "thin out" current Windows mail products, it appears that every update or upgrade RESTORES all settings to the defaults, which puts all that stuff back in again.
For me, at this point, Windows mail is one of the best promotion items for using a DIFFERENT e-mail client.
It would, of course be much preferable if during the Install process, the user could turn OFF all the assorted bells and buzzers and options and automated processes that are not directly related to sending, receiving, and reading e-mail.
Confession: I am one of the "elderly" and although I have been immersed in PCs hardware and software since 1986, I have never wanted to use "instant messaging" or other options, or use much of what MSN offers.
So for me, one of the greatest benefits of e-mail is that the Sender and the Receiver of messages BOTH get to participate at their own particular convenient time. Instant messaging, and telephone calls (to use 2 examples) tend to be inconvenient about 50% of the time for one of the parties involved. That is never true for e-mail.
Sadly, the more people I know who have switched to UBUNTU, and the more "feature-ridden" each successive edition of MS Office, and Windows become, the more interesting some LINUX implementation (such as UBUNTU) seems.
So hopefully, Windows 7 Ultimate will be at least as stable as Windows XP Professional had become just immediately before VISTA was released.
- This is a HUGE disappointment and as has been said many many times after the disaster that is/was vista you'd think they'd have learned to listen to the consumers. I for one will most likely be switching to a Mac and downgrading the Operating system on my current PC back to XP to get outlook express back and to avoid all the compatibility issues microsofts new Operating systems have.
- I'm really surprised that this thread is still going on. :-/
Especially since it is filled with so much misinformation and sometimes outright lies.
1. Microsoft IS providing an email application in the form of Windows Live Mail.
2. It IS a FREE download from the Microsoft website at this location.
3. There is also a direct shortcut to it in Windows 7's Internet Explorer favorites for quick and easy downloading.
4. It IS virtually identical in look and functionality to XP's Outlook Express and Vista's Windows Mail.
5. It even adds new features such as an Office Outlook style Calendar, Event Reminders, and improved Security.
6. Most of the dialogs including Accounts and Options are almost identical to Outlook Express.
If you don't believe me, download WLM and try it out for yourself, it works on Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 2008.
Or at least go to the WLM page and read up on its features before you come here and post nonsense.
Instead of blaming Microsoft for this, try putting the blame where it belongs, such as the EU and their bullying tactics.
For those people who feel that the "inconvenience" of spending a few minutes downloading the Windows 7 email application is just too much, and it will force you to switch to either a Mac or Ubuntu/Linux, then please feel free to do so. Don't let the window... er.. door hit you on the way out. Regarding Ubuntu, I have been running Linux distros for over 10 years alongside Windows. On my Intel Atom cube PC, Windows 7 in Aero mode outperforms Ubuntu by at least 4x on the interface performance -- Ubuntu is almost unusable as a regular PC OS on these types of light-PCs, due to its unaccelerated UI.
And finally, for those people posting who are still constantly bashing Vista, get over it, Vista is a perfectly fine OS. It has a few minor issues, but it surely isn't the ball of garbage that you claim. Other than a few issues with Windows Explorer, I would still rather use Vista than XP. And after using Windows 7 RC for many weeks, I would rather use it than XP or Vista. - PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE EMAIL FROM THIS SITE./ I AM SICK AND TIRED OF EVERYDAY GETTING THIS JUNK MAIL.
THANKS. PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE EMAIL FROM THIS SITE./ I AM SICK AND TIRED OF EVERYDAY GETTING THIS JUNK MAIL.
THANKS.
Hey AZSinbad...What if instead of whining you just come off the list? In the mail there's a link to manage the alerts you are subscribed to ... or maybe your wonderful web mail does not allow you to see the links? hahahaha ...
Peace...- I don't understand why people complain...
First of all, if there is something out there with a million flavours... it's an e-mail client.
Second, the features typically associated tith these clients (Contacts & Calendar) are also bundled with most clients.
Third, the on-line versions usually comprise all these features.
The most respected and useful client, in my modest opinion, is Outlook 2003 (Outlook 2007 now for Windows/2008 for Mac) because it takes care of most storage and synchronization features with applomb and competence (besides being suited both for personal and professional e-mail). However, it will bind the license to the current state of your machine and really it is very nasty to change a screwed up hard disk or processor, etc., and lose the license right away. This is unbearable because your e-mail is a lot more precious than your other stuff and frankly it seems that it is made hostage. Bad, bad licensing schemes, once again foregetting your needs to instead concentrate in your potentially bad nature, to them you look like a thief, no more, no less.
Sad.
However nothing is preventing people from using both the Windows on-line alternative (Windows Live mail, which has a good off-line feature with synchro or any other client for that matter. Actually the thing to be aware of is that the decision to use an e-mail client is a long term one!...
The reason for tis has a lot to do with compatibility, of course...
I would recommend a FREE client, because Outlook and a few others are machine-dependent in terms of license (and you want to use it anywhere), I woud reccomend anybody to stay away from machine-dependent licenses (such as... Miscrosoft Outlook and Office in general). You''ll thank me for this advice some time later...
It's already bad enough being pestered by license woes when you change some ailing part on your computer, let alone being treated like a bandit and a thief by default.
If you buy an OS from MS or anyone else, please consider buying a license that does not tie you to the same machine forever (like "OEM" versions of Windows, etc.). - Hello Carey:
Just a little question about (7). You mentioned that e-mails won't be available in this os. You also mentioned about getting it free, will it interface with (7) and very little conflicts or will their be quite a lot? I was thinking about getting it this year, now I am not too sure. I use my e-mail all day with family and work.
steve jackson - Steve, fear not! The Windows Live Essentials Suite has been tailor made to work with Windows 7! So Windows Live Mail works absolutely perfectly in Windows 7. Not only that, but it is so easy to set up with any of your e-mail accounts as well. I have quite a few, Hotmail,Live, Yahoo.co.uk, Gmail,AOL, and all I had to do was just input my e mail address and password and voila! that was it! No having to set up POP or anything else, Windows Live Mail automatically knows all the settings. its so easy to do.
I love Windows Live Mail and have used it since its inception its great, and if this Granny can use it then everyone else should find it a doddle!
TG - This is one reason I will not opt to use Windows 7. I like Outlook Express and there are no ads like Windows Live Mail, plus it is so easy to navigate and to keep personal. Plus, I don't have to open a browser which, sometimes in busy connection times here, can take ages.
As for Incredimail, it may be a pretty program, but has anyone ever tried to forward something that has Incredimail stuff in it?! Unless I opt to change my forward email to plain text it is so hard to delete the Incredimail garbage. Then if I want to write an email in html I have to change my email settings back to rich text. Incredimail can be a nightmare! This is one reason I will not opt to use Windows 7. I like Outlook Express and there are no ads like Windows Live Mail, plus it is so easy to navigate and to keep personal. Plus, I don't have to open a browser which, sometimes in busy connection times here, can take ages.
As for Incredimail, it may be a pretty program, but has anyone ever tried to forward something that has Incredimail stuff in it?! Unless I opt to change my forward email to plain text it is so hard to delete the Incredimail garbage. Then if I want to write an email in html I have to change my email settings back to rich text. Incredimail can be a nightmare!
What ads?
Windows Live Mail is a downloadable installable application, just like Outlook Express.
I have WLM on my Windows 7RC system, and I don't get any ads.
WLM works almost exactly like Outlook Express. Even the Accounts and Options dialogs are almost identical.
It even has more features than OE and better security.as a temporarily solution I would use www.mail2web.com where you can download your e-mails without the need to fill in your pop-servers or where you can choose if you want basic e-mailing or professional solutions. This can be a nice solution until we can get Google Wave - http://mashable.com/2009/05/28/google-wave-guide/ - http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=opera&rls=en&q=google+wave&sourceid=opera&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=OxaHSuuUI4TM-QbJqbG7CQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4#
Further, Google is also developing free system software so we won't need to pay any longer for basic software everybody needs. The advantage of it is that Google IS listening to its users and that all their developing works are open source which means that anybody will be able to solve problems where Microsoft is only being annoying with their continuously everlasting updates.
- as an on line solution for office programs (no need to install software on your computer and always being able to reach your documents wherever you are I can advise www.thinkfree.com
- And once you download all the emails from those accounts to you PC, anyone can read them as you cannot password protect an email Identity. That's my problem with it. I like to download my email and not keep it stored on some server somewhere.
This is one reason I will not opt to use Windows 7. I like Outlook Express and there are no ads like Windows Live Mail, plus it is so easy to navigate and to keep personal. Plus, I don't have to open a browser which, sometimes in busy connection times here, can take ages.
As for Incredimail, it may be a pretty program, but has anyone ever tried to forward something that has Incredimail stuff in it?! Unless I opt to change my forward email to plain text it is so hard to delete the Incredimail garbage. Then if I want to write an email in html I have to change my email settings back to rich text. Incredimail can be a nightmare!
The paid for version is only $20 for a lifetime license. Not much to pay if you ask me and it removes all the adds. I actually seldom use all the cute stuff with it. I got it simply because it allows me my seperate ID's and password ability and looks exactly like OE for all practical purpose which I been useing for over 10 years and not interested in a new program.This is one reason I will not opt to use Windows 7. I like Outlook Express and there are no ads like Windows Live Mail, plus it is so easy to navigate and to keep personal. Plus, I don't have to open a browser which, sometimes in busy connection times here, can take ages.
As for Incredimail, it may be a pretty program, but has anyone ever tried to forward something that has Incredimail stuff in it?! Unless I opt to change my forward email to plain text it is so hard to delete the Incredimail garbage. Then if I want to write an email in html I have to change my email settings back to rich text. Incredimail can be a nightmare!
What ads?
Windows Live Mail is a downloadable installable application, just like Outlook Express.
I have WLM on my Windows 7RC system, and I don't get any ads.
WLM works almost exactly like Outlook Express. Even the Accounts and Options dialogs are almost identical.
It even has more features than OE and better security.
Oh really? Please tell me how to create *seperate* identitys and password them so as no one else can open and read them outside of a outright computer hacker? If it will do that I have no prob useing it. But I sure as heck did not see that ability. If not to much trouble. if you are saying it does this, Please write out the steps required to do so and I will try it.
Thanks,
BeazzI'm really surprised that this thread is still going on. :-/
Especially since it is filled with so much misinformation and sometimes outright lies.
1. Microsoft IS providing an email application in the form of Windows Live Mail.
2. It IS a FREE download from the Microsoft website at this location.
3. There is also a direct shortcut to it in Windows 7's Internet Explorer favorites for quick and easy downloading.
4. It IS virtually identical in look and functionality to XP's Outlook Express and Vista's Windows Mail.
5. It even adds new features such as an Office Outlook style Calendar, Event Reminders, and improved Security.
6. Most of the dialogs including Accounts and Options are almost identical to Outlook Express.
If you don't believe me, download WLM and try it out for yourself, it works on Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 2008.
Or at least go to the WLM page and read up on its features before you come here and post nonsense.
Instead of blaming Microsoft for this, try putting the blame where it belongs, such as the EU and their bullying tactics.
For those people who feel that the "inconvenience" of spending a few minutes downloading the Windows 7 email application is just too much, and it will force you to switch to either a Mac or Ubuntu/Linux, then please feel free to do so. Don't let the window... er.. door hit you on the way out. Regarding Ubuntu, I have been running Linux distros for over 10 years alongside Windows. On my Intel Atom cube PC, Windows 7 in Aero mode outperforms Ubuntu by at least 4x on the interface performance -- Ubuntu is almost unusable as a regular PC OS on these types of light-PCs, due to its unaccelerated UI.
And finally, for those people posting who are still constantly bashing Vista, get over it, Vista is a perfectly fine OS. It has a few minor issues, but it surely isn't the ball of garbage that you claim. Other than a few issues with Windows Explorer, I would still rather use Vista than XP. And after using Windows 7 RC for many weeks, I would rather use it than XP or Vista.I'm really surprised that this thread is still going on. :-/
Especially since it is filled with so much misinformation and sometimes outright lies.
1. Microsoft IS providing an email application in the form of Windows Live Mail.
2. It IS a FREE download from the Microsoft website at this location.
3. There is also a direct shortcut to it in Windows 7's Internet Explorer favorites for quick and easy downloading.
4. It IS virtually identical in look and functionality to XP's Outlook Express and Vista's Windows Mail.
5. It even adds new features such as an Office Outlook style Calendar, Event Reminders, and improved Security.
6. Most of the dialogs including Accounts and Options are almost identical to Outlook Express.
If you don't believe me, download WLM and try it out for yourself, it works on Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 2008.
Or at least go to the WLM page and read up on its features before you come here and post nonsense.
Instead of blaming Microsoft for this, try putting the blame where it belongs, such as the EU and their bullying tactics.
For those people who feel that the "inconvenience" of spending a few minutes downloading the Windows 7 email application is just too much, and it will force you to switch to either a Mac or Ubuntu/Linux, then please feel free to do so. Don't let the window... er.. door hit you on the way out. Regarding Ubuntu, I have been running Linux distros for over 10 years alongside Windows. On my Intel Atom cube PC, Windows 7 in Aero mode outperforms Ubuntu by at least 4x on the interface performance -- Ubuntu is almost unusable as a regular PC OS on these types of light-PCs, due to its unaccelerated UI.
And finally, for those people posting who are still constantly bashing Vista, get over it, Vista is a perfectly fine OS. It has a few minor issues, but it surely isn't the ball of garbage that you claim. Other than a few issues with Windows Explorer, I would still rather use Vista than XP. And after using Windows 7 RC for many weeks, I would rather use it than XP or Vista.
Ref # 4: There is NO way to create seperate email ID's which can be passworded. That to me is the SOLE problem with this and why I want use it. If you cannot password protect an account I fail to see where it has even basic security IMHO. By password protect I mean it can not be opened and previously downloaded messages read by whoever opens it. I realize you can password the ability to actually download your messages. That's not good enough for me. Like I asked someone earlier, if you know how to set up seperate ID.s in it and can password them so as they cannot be opened at all unless you're a hacker, without a password please post the steps to do so. It should not be many if it has this as it takes all of about 90 seconds to do this in OE or Incredimail.
Don't think that is what he is saying. I finally upgraded to Vista back in November and got the 64 bit version. The program has worked absolutely flawlessly and out of all the programs I have installed, only one would not work was Partition Magic, which is no longer needed anyhow. I have a dual boot going with Win 7RC and have my official release already ordered as it has been running superbly as well and I like it and Vista. Both 64 bit versions. I have Vista Home Premium 64 bit running on 2 desktops and 1 laptop with the dual boot Win 7 RC on 1 and I have had absolutley no probs on any of them. I regret I waited so long to get Vista. The reason I did not was because of all the criticism over it added to MS's past practices made me say ____ with it. But it turned out to be an awesome OS IMHO and I am looking forward to sticking Win & fianl release on all of them.Vista was not a failed OS it was the people who failed it by not giving up their designed for windows xp computers was the problem, All talk and deep pockets. Vista worked great if you knew what you where doing in the first place. Alot of people I program their PC's talk on vista was garbage but don't face the fact of the garbage they don't get rid of their pc's and the garbage they like to run which causes problems. stop your myspace chats and bull and get into learning how to use your pc, then give me your answer about a OS, till then leave your comments out , LEARN TO USE A PC< DON"T USE IT JUST TO CHAT;.
OK, ecology is not the topic here, but ... neither Vista was it. So you're one of those who believe that every time M$ come and change the OS version, all of our PCs must go to trash... please remember that not all of us earn your salary, neither it's our plan to just drown in e-waste. We have a little time and this is not a conscious attitude. Please,look beyond your nose...
PeaceRef # 4: There is NO way to create seperate email ID's which can be passworded. That to me is the SOLE problem with this and why I want use it. If you cannot password protect an account I fail to see where it has even basic security IMHO. By password protect I mean it can not be opened and previously downloaded messages read by whoever opens it. I realize you can password the ability to actually download your messages. That's not good enough for me. Like I asked someone earlier, if you know how to set up seperate ID.s in it and can password them so as they cannot be opened at all unless you're a hacker, without a password please post the steps to do so. It should not be many if it has this as it takes all of about 90 seconds to do this in OE or Incredimail.
That is what individual User Accounts on your computer are for.
If you have a household with multiple people using the same computer, they should always have their own User Account. That also keep all of their other individual files private.
It is considerably more secure to have a passworded User Account than using individual OE Identities.
Windows Live Mail has this information regarding the change to Identities right in the software.And once you download all the emails from those accounts to you PC, anyone can read them as you cannot password protect an email Identity. That's my problem with it. I like to download my email and not keep it stored on some server somewhere.
You password your User Account.
And use individual User Accounts for each person in your household that has access to that computer, or at minimum create separate User Accounts for yourself and everone else.
This is more secure than using Identities.Oh really? Please tell me how to create *seperate* identitys and password them so as no one else can open and read them outside of a outright computer hacker? If it will do that I have no prob useing it. But I sure as heck did not see that ability. If not to much trouble. if you are saying it does this, Please write out the steps required to do so and I will try it.
Thanks,
Beazz
Start -> Control Panel -> User Accounts and Family Safety -> Change your Windows Password.
Assign a password to your user account.
Chances are that if you need to keep your email completely private and secure, you probably also have other files in your Documents, Pictures, Downloads, etc. that you also want secure.
Then add another account for any other people accessing the computer.
Their Windows Live Mail will be separate for their own personal account.
Technically, you should have a master Administrator type account that is only used for system maintenance, installing software, etc.
Then you should create your own account that should be set to Standard User, and always use this account for regular use.
Then create additional Standard User account(s) for anyone else who is using the computer.
By not running an Administrator level account for your regular computer use, you will prevent a large number of surfing-related issues including viruses.
Windows 7 works very well this way, I've been running dual accounts on it for months.Oh really? Please tell me how to create *seperate* identitys and password them so as no one else can open and read them outside of a outright computer hacker? If it will do that I have no prob useing it. But I sure as heck did not see that ability. If not to much trouble. if you are saying it does this, Please write out the steps required to do so and I will try it.
Thanks,
Beazz
Well... I stopped using 7RC some days ago because a drivers issue (they had not included support for my Creative SB Live 5.1 sound card), but while testing I noticed the storage folder used by WLM saves the emails as single messages, instead the "dbx" or "pst" files. So, I guess MS discarded the option to protect identities, since those independent emails can't be encrypted except by using "private" options through NTFS rights, mixed with separated user accounts on the PC. I don't like too much this way since this difficult backups in case of OS crashes.Oh really? Please tell me how to create *seperate* identitys and password them so as no one else can open and read them outside of a outright computer hacker? If it will do that I have no prob useing it. But I sure as heck did not see that ability. If not to much trouble. if you are saying it does this, Please write out the steps required to do so and I will try it.
Thanks,
Beazz
Start -> Control Panel -> User Accounts and Family Safety -> Change your Windows Password.
Assign a password to your user account.
Chances are that if you need to keep your email completely private and secure, you probably also have other files in your Documents, Pictures, Downloads, etc. that you also want secure.
Then add another account for any other people accessing the computer.
Their Windows Live Mail will be separate for their own personal account.
Technically, you should have a master Administrator type account that is only used for system maintenance, installing software, etc.
Then you should create your own account that should be set to Standard User, and always use this account for regular use.
Then create additional Standard User account(s) for anyone else who is using the computer.
By not running an Administrator level account for your regular computer use, you will prevent a large number of surfing-related issues including viruses.
Windows 7 works very well this way, I've been running dual accounts on it for months.
Yea thats' what I thought. IOW, you cannot do it. Sorry but I am not going to go through the trouble of setting up seperate user accounts for everyone in my home and then installing programs all over the place simply because MS decided to remove the best email program out there for no reason other then they wanted to. I run antivirus and antispyware and know how to surf the web. I do not even know the last time I was infected from anyhting off the internet. I am not going to set up seperate user accounts for something that has not been a problem for me for literally years thank you very much.
I'll stick with Incredimail unless someone can show me where they actually are seeing my emails like some have said. I haved checked my headers and traced them on emails before I installed IM and after and there are no new hops in them. The paths are exactly the same to and from same addresses before and after.
BeazzI don't like too much this way since this difficult backups in case of OS crashes.
How is this any more difficult to backup than the Documents or Pictures folders in a user account?Yea thats' what I thought. IOW, you cannot do it. Sorry but I am not going to go through the trouble of setting up seperate user accounts for everyone in my home and then installing programs all over the place simply because MS decided to remove the best email program out there for no reason other then they wanted to. I run antivirus and antispyware and know how to surf the web. I do not even know the last time I was infected from anyhting off the internet. I am not going to set up seperate user accounts for something that has not been a problem for me for literally years thank you very much.
I'll stick with Incredimail unless someone can show me where they actually are seeing my emails like some have said. I haved checked my headers and traced them on emails before I installed IM and after and there are no new hops in them. The paths are exactly the same to and from same addresses before and after.
Beazz
It is no more work to create an additional user account for everyone else in the house than it is to create additional Identities.
Plus it will give you better security and privacy for your own account. It prevents other people from seeing any of your stuff, from accidentally deleting any of your stuff, etc. It also allows each user to customize their settings to their own liking, such as interface and wallpaper, etc.
And what programs do you have to "install all over the place"?
When you install an application, it is normally available to all user accounts on the same computer, you don't have to reinstall the software for each user.
My feeling is that your posts sound more like "I don't want to change because I don't like change".
The changes that MS made to Outlook Express (removing identities and using discrete mail files) was to fix serious issues with the way that OE did things.
Identities are not more secure - user accounts are.
And the database files in OE were a bad idea because once they hit about 1.2GB in size for any folder, they won't compact anymore, and once they hit 1.5-2.0GB they fail/crash and are often unrecoverable - google it if you don't believe me.
MS's changes for both Windows Mail (Vista) and WLM are good ideas.
If you don't want to change, that is your choice, I won't force you. :-)
But MS's changes are for the better.- Get Windows Live mail , mail client, Its much improved , much faster.
Windows 7 provides a link within , Just go to start > Getting Started > Get Windows Live Essentials
And it will take you the site from where you can download Windows Live mail and other WL Essentials. You can uncheck whichever WL Essentials App you don't want. But I'll suggest to give it a try to, like WL Messenger, WL Photo Gallery and others.
- Exactly why I stopped using hotmail long ago and stick with google mail. Formats keep changing too much for an old geezer like me. At least google has been compatible with all windows versions.
Bob Yea thats' what I thought. IOW, you cannot do it. Sorry but I am not going to go through the trouble of setting up seperate user accounts for everyone in my home and then installing programs all over the place simply because MS decided to remove the best email program out there for no reason other then they wanted to. I run antivirus and antispyware and know how to surf the web. I do not even know the last time I was infected from anyhting off the internet. I am not going to set up seperate user accounts for something that has not been a problem for me for literally years thank you very much.
I'll stick with Incredimail unless someone can show me where they actually are seeing my emails like some have said. I haved checked my headers and traced them on emails before I installed IM and after and there are no new hops in them. The paths are exactly the same to and from same addresses before and after.
Beazz
It is no more work to create an additional user account for everyone else in the house than it is to create additional Identities.
Plus it will give you better security and privacy for your own account. It prevents other people from seeing any of your stuff, from accidentally deleting any of your stuff, etc. It also allows each user to customize their settings to their own liking, such as interface and wallpaper, etc.
And what programs do you have to "install all over the place"?
When you install an application, it is normally available to all user accounts on the same computer, you don't have to reinstall the software for each user.
My feeling is that your posts sound more like "I don't want to change because I don't like change".
The changes that MS made to Outlook Express (removing identities and using discrete mail files) was to fix serious issues with the way that OE did things.
Identities are not more secure - user accounts are.
And the database files in OE were a bad idea because once they hit about 1.2GB in size for any folder, they won't compact anymore, and once they hit 1.5-2.0GB they fail/crash and are often unrecoverable - google it if you don't believe me.
MS's changes for both Windows Mail (Vista) and WLM are good ideas.
If you don't want to change, that is your choice, I won't force you. :-)
But MS's changes are for the better.
For starters, it is a lot more trouble to do the follow on with additional user accounts. I am well aware you can actually create the accoiunt itself in 30 seconds. But you are wrong in that all programs installed on the master account are automatically available on all other accounts. I have in the past created more then one user account and for all practical purposes, none of the programs I had installed were showing in the new account. I admit, I have never looked into it any further but that alone was a non starter for me.
This is not about which is *more* secure. But rather what is secure enough. There are ways to get even more security then seperate IDs as well. So I am not looking for the absolute most secure avenue out there. The new WLM has absolutely no security and that is my problem. The *against any change* is pure bull. I have the latest release of every single program I have and have always kept updated to the latest and greatest. Matter fact, I look forward to the new versions. But this deal with the email is NOT change. It is elimination of a program and that is my beef. OE is a great program and most people realize this. I have used MS Office since it was on I think 15 or 16 floppy disks and currently have Office 2007. That is *change*. I have always had Outlook available to me but never used it as OE was better to me. Outlook has the same issues with seperate IDs as the new WLM. Now if they took that away and said there is no longer a MS Office and if you wish to use any program that was in it you now have to come online and find it, that would be the equivalent to what they have done with OE. They changed nothing. They simply got rid of it. I wounder how all the MS Office users of the world would be reacting if it were no longer available via a direct install to your computer but were told what they have no longer will work in the *next* version of windows and they will be required to go online and get the download version, like it or not? I use Office far less then my email so I vote they do that. Maybe then we will get some serious support from those who think our beef with the eleminitation of OE is just us *not wanting to change*???
BeazzYea thats' what I thought. IOW, you cannot do it. Sorry but I am not going to go through the trouble of setting up seperate user accounts for everyone in my home and then installing programs all over the place simply because MS decided to remove the best email program out there for no reason other then they wanted to. I run antivirus and antispyware and know how to surf the web. I do not even know the last time I was infected from anyhting off the internet. I am not going to set up seperate user accounts for something that has not been a problem for me for literally years thank you very much.
I'll stick with Incredimail unless someone can show me where they actually are seeing my emails like some have said. I haved checked my headers and traced them on emails before I installed IM and after and there are no new hops in them. The paths are exactly the same to and from same addresses before and after.
Beazz
It is no more work to create an additional user account for everyone else in the house than it is to create additional Identities.
Plus it will give you better security and privacy for your own account. It prevents other people from seeing any of your stuff, from accidentally deleting any of your stuff, etc. It also allows each user to customize their settings to their own liking, such as interface and wallpaper, etc.
And what programs do you have to "install all over the place"?
When you install an application, it is normally available to all user accounts on the same computer, you don't have to reinstall the software for each user.
My feeling is that your posts sound more like "I don't want to change because I don't like change".
The changes that MS made to Outlook Express (removing identities and using discrete mail files) was to fix serious issues with the way that OE did things.
Identities are not more secure - user accounts are.
And the database files in OE were a bad idea because once they hit about 1.2GB in size for any folder, they won't compact anymore, and once they hit 1.5-2.0GB they fail/crash and are often unrecoverable - google it if you don't believe me.
MS's changes for both Windows Mail (Vista) and WLM are good ideas.
If you don't want to change, that is your choice, I won't force you. :-)
But MS's changes are for the better.
Have no clue what you are talking about with the size issues. Like I said, I have used OE since its inception well over 10 years ago and never had this problem. And anyone who is worried about a 1.2GB file with todays HD's is in serious trouble anyhow. I have never compacted my emails and never had a problem, ever! And with over 2TBs of storage space I just am not worried with havin to compact a 1.2GB file. You cannot really be serious right?
I like and use Windows Vista and Windows 7, but the email situations sux. I am however, over it now and paid IM $20 for a add free life time version and have moved on.
Beazz
Beazz- Maybe MS will pick this up. Windows Live is not the same as Windows Mail. It seems to be like Face Book. Maybe good for kiks but not for me. Mozilla offers a fairly good email package for free. Also a browser - "Firefox." Seems a shame for MS to get out of the simple email business.
Maybe MS will pick this up. Windows Live is not the same as Windows Mail. It seems to be like Face Book. Maybe good for kiks but not for me. Mozilla offers a fairly good email package for free. Also a browser - "Firefox." Seems a shame for MS to get out of the simple email business.
I don't follow what you are saying.
Windows Live Mail is a downloadable email software application similar to Outlook Express (XP) and Windows Mail (Vista).
The Windows Live Mail software is separate from their online web mail system (a la Hotmail).- 답변으로 제안됨joesofla 2009년 8월 20일 목요일 오전 10:37
- If they didn't have internet, they wouldn't be using email.
- Open Office works great and has many features that MS Office doesn't. But where is their Calendar/Email answer to Outlook? Are they purposely leaving out a fundamental part?
- Sorry my friend, windows live mail seems to be the default but it is also one of the most malignent spam generators on the internet. Microsoft have either made a blunder or this is another dirty trick from them to force people to buy their office suite. Can you just imagine the look of horror on a customers face if you are a business and send an invoice via windows live mail. And how will the heading look for your business for example 전자 우편은 보이지 않는다. I havn't tried 7 yet but by all accounts I think I will stick with Vista 64 which in my opinion has been great from day 1.
Come on Microsoft, get the finger out and get an email client available for everyone and at the same time ditch your horrendous windows live. - i agree with you why is everything moving towards web based programs why has everybodies info got to be floating about the internet for all to possibly see whats the point of having hard drives
- Please read my comments posted previously in this thread.
Windows Live Mail (WLM) is the new version of XP's Outlook Express (OE) and Vista's Windows Mail (WM) applications.
WLM is not web-based, it is a downloadable free application from Microsoft. WLM will work with any email account just like OE and WM. - Windows Live Mail is not a web-based program.
It is a downloadable installable application just like Outlook Express and Windows Mail. Windows Live Mail is not a web-based program.
It is a downloadable installable application just like Outlook Express and Windows Mail.
Yes, reading through some of these comments on here, it looks as if many are getting Windows Live Mail muddled up with Live Hotmail which is web based.
Windows Live Mail is part of the Live Essentials Suite of programs that you download and use ON YOUR COMPUTER. It is exactly like Outlook Express and Windows Mail. It works with ANY e-mail account. I have mine set up with the following Hotmail, Live Mail, my ISP account, Yahoo and Gmail.
It also can access any RSS feeds that you set up in Internet Explorer. You can set up Newsgroups in it.
You can send photos inside your e-mails with photo e-mail.
It is a brilliant e-mail program and far superior to Thunderbird and yes, I have used both!
TG I can't understand why some on here are complaining about it. In Windows 7 you can either dowload the Essentials Suite or if you don't want to do that, then just download your favourite e-mail program instead. Simple.- "I WANT MY OUTLOOK EXPRESS BACK"
Here's the problem I have with Win. Live mail (Single address book) for all email accounts you add!
I have 2 personal email accounts 1 more for business.
I am currently serving as webmaster for 2 websites and need a contact mail for each of those.
My wife has 2 personal email accounts!
Seven email accounts managed on this PC.
With 'Outlook Express' we can manage all 7 email accounts each with it's own private address book and log on all in one email client!
How can you beat that?
There's No way I'm going to share all those contacts in a Windows Live Account!
If I don't come up with something with that kind of manageability it will be a deal breaker for me on
W-7.
I'll stick with my XP Pro! There is no email client in Win7. MS is pushing their Live Mail solution which frankly I find dreadful. Thunderbird is a good free email client, but many people simply use GMail instead of a client.
Frankly, I find Window Live Mail the best email program ever. What's not to like? It brings your live/hotmail/gmail/etc all together in one easy to use program. Business users can always use Outlook.
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Thank you Microsoft- Windows Mail is actually included in 7, it just no longer works. However, WM from Vista works fine. I have transferred mine from Vista to 7 with no problems. You have to copy the 64 bit version AND the data files.
- Hi all, a Microsoft OS without email client? no way
WLM is not good for me.
Hope that Microsoft people add a email client in W7
CYA Hi all, a Microsoft OS without email client? no way
WLM is not good for me.
Hope that Microsoft people add a email client in W7
CYA
My point of view...
Microsoft is right to strip optional programs from the OS.
Having said that, I'm perfectly unhappy with WLM. The way the files are organized on the disk is sheer nonsense and a pain when it comes to backups. The way multiple identities are displayed would be interesting for someone with a screen twice as big as mine. It sure looks nice and has some really good features, but no thanks. Thunderbird is not an option because of the file format.
I'm using Outlook 2007 now. It sure is a tad heavy because of the 75 percent of the features I'm never going to use, but it surely gives me what I need.
Regards
Rem- I can understand the need for options, and personally, I truly see a lot of options, most of which have already been proposed in this thread. I use Outlook, and love it. But this is not free if you don't already have it with your Office installation. If you use Outlook with Exchange, it is a hard personal information manager to beat. It syncronizes with my smartphone and I am able to incorporate an add-on to access my live.com e-mail right inside Outlook, as well as other POP3 e-mail accounts -- even gmail.
Another e-mail client that I have used is Thunderbird which had increasingly gotten better and better, but unlike Outlook, there is no calendar or task list module. But for just getting e-mail, Thunderbird is great, allowing the user to configure it with just about any e-mail service.
Here is the bottom line: The e-mail client that you wish were included in Windows 7 may not be available, but there is really no cause to be disgruntled about it. It was free prior to this version (Vista), but there are still free options out there. There are so many improvements in Windows 7 over Vista, that the loss of a basic e-mail client is really not a big deal. Windows Live does provide a local client which allows you to use POP3, and I assume it is likely very similar to the e-mail client that you grew to enjoy. If not, take a look at the many free versions, but don't hold it against microsoft. If the e-mail client is so important to you, stay with Vista. It is just an e-mail client. There are more out there.
"Windberg" - Amen LoryHolland! That is my conclusion too. For goodness sake, it was free, and typically we don't get what we don't pay for, so if Microsoft never provided a free e-mail client, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Applaud MS when they throw us a bone, but don't slap them down if they put their efforts and expertise into what matters: the OS and their other "unfree" schtuff.
- Clarification: It does everything that most people use . . . it doesn't do everything that Office does. The differences are only apparent to powerusers, and the intercompatibility (at least with early OpenOffice versions) is not 100%. Highlighting is lost going from one to the other (regardless of the direction) and there are other conversion compatibility problems, but again, most features translate very well, so for 80% of the population, there isn't any reason to not use OpenOffice (speculation).
But I do agree: OpenOffice is great. But last I checked, it isn't free if you want to use it in a corporate or for-profit business. But it is cheap enough that it shouldn't be NOT considered if it isn't free - it is worth the fee that is charged for for-profit organizations. But for home non-profit and educational use, it is indeed free. - Yes, in some cases Thunderbird does have problems with importing other e-mail client formats. Excellent point.
- If you want stability and consistent availability, buy what you need. When something is free, there is no incentive for a corporation to keep developing it. If it is that important to you, get something that doesn't depend on the OS version. Your opinion is not necessarily shared by others. I would rather that MS focus on the products we actually pay for rather than the little "bones" they throw at us to embellish their sorry OS (ME, Vista). 7 is so much better, so much more stable, that the fact that it doesn't have a free email client is just fine if the rest is doing what it is supposed to.
So, MS: ignore the pleas for free, unless you wanna start giving away your operating system and office products. Thumbs UP! - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH: If you the only thing you liked about Windows was Windows Mail, then you are wasting your money. There are other operating systems with very good e-mail clients. Get a nice Mac. They cost a little more, but maybe you can find something redeemable in their products. Here is the deal, newer computers need a newer operating system. newer computers do more stuff and do it better. If we were still using Windows 98 just because it was such a nice OS, with Office 2000 we would have missed out on a lot of improvements. I do understand the frustration of having to learn new products, but these companies make money by selling things. Without selling newer stuff, our economy would tank even more than it has.
Computers are my business in a university setting. I guarantee I am not excited about deploying Windows 7. But we are going to. It is the right thing to do. Our students don't want to be using old technology, they want to prepare for the future.
A computer can last 5 or more years, so enjoy the OS you have, keep it current with the latest security patches and fixes. Maintain your system with disk cleanup and defrag, and don't make stupid mistakes like clicking on popups from sites that you don't trust. Keep Antivirus installed and updated, and you won't have to change for at least 5 years, but realize that when it comes time to replace ole' Bessie, that it is going to have a new engine under the hood, with a glossy new interior with power steering and power brakes, air conditioning and 'lectric winders. It ain't your grandpa's oldsmobile missie. It is time to learn what it can do for you and your life. Breathe it in --- Ahhhh. New car smell. Wow, it passes the slow pokes so nicely. Aren't you glad it doesn't run like that old Gremlin you used to have? ;0)
Winder's: Gotta Open 'Em to Get Fresh Air. - Windows Live is web-based. There is free stuff that you can use, and I don't know about any laws, but I do know that a private company has the right to choose as much as you do. Buy a Mac or use Linux and stop fussing about a free utility that you can replace with other free utilities. Your point wasn't really overlooked, it was just doesn't make sense in light of the many choices you have to get your e-mail. You don't have to buy Office or Outlook.
I hope you find something that works for you. really. Windows Live is web-based.
Windows Live Mail is not web based. It is a free downloadable application like Outlook Express (XP) and Windows Mail (Vista).
Hotmail is web based.- I didn't read your entire entry, but I do understand and applaud anyone who wants to keep their private mail private. There are certainly ways to do that, but before you give up on web-based e-mail, you need to understand something about private e-mail.
It is not private, ever.
Unless you own your own webserver, and never send anyone your e-mail, and only receive other people's e-mail, then your mail is going to be stored on someone elses server. The only way to keep your e-mail private, is to not use it.
As for archiving: I do it for my job, and my job does it regardless if I do it, not that I would be able to get a copy from them. So, if fear of what the government or what the corporations will think or do in regards to your mail content is keeping you from storing e-mail on the Internet mail servers, then why do you think that others are not keeping archives of your mail?
I don't send anything of any real value to me personally over the Internet. Except my own personal thoughts, which I don't care if the whole world knows about it. I don't have anything to hide. If it gets to a point that my thoughts are a danger to me, then I will have to decide if my thoughts are worth dying for, or if I just need to keep my mouth shut (or whatever means of communication I use).
The least of your worries should be the e-mail thing if you think of what information is already available to people with means. With every new convenience that comes, we surrender more privacy, even when we buy stuff to protect it, we have to surrender our names, and other personal information.
I think that I am a fairly level-headed person, and you don't sound like a nut, but if we are really concerned about what people can know about us in our mail, then we need to start using something else besides the Internet for our electronic messaging. Each mail goes through hundreds of servers that may or may not record the packets that it receives. I'm sure there are people and organizations that spend a great part of their time, energies and money to exploit the available information moving in the wild across the Internet and stored on servers. So, figure out a way to encrypt your stuff and then it won't matter if it is on a server. - I have a question.... if i backup emails on a regular basis.. Can I use another email client to restore those emails? For example: I use Windows Mail and have backed up all my e-mails. What can i use in Windows 7 to restore those emails???
- good point MJCMJCMJC........... I suppose that no, and in replay to windberg, W7 is a light Vista, then I believe that I´ll install in my pcs and ntbs the two OS. Classic Start Menu aren´t present in W7, and this is important to me like to have and email client like OE or WM.
CYA - Which is exactly why I prefer Windows Live Mail to Thunderbird because it doesn't have problems importing other e-mail clients! Nor have I ever had to input any settings details either. Its also obvious that many posting in this thread are getting confused between The online mail application (which was Hotmail and obviously to avoid all this confusion should have been renamed Live Hotmail) and the desktop application Windows Live Mail, which is an entirely different thing.
Windows Live Mail is the one that you download to your desktop. It is better than Thunderbird but works in a similar way to Outlook Express and the version of Windows Mail that came with Vista.
TG - Windows Mail???? Screw Windows Mail!!!! I'd swear by Thunderbird. If u try Thunderbird, u won't wanna look at another mail program ever again!!! Nuff sed, thank you!
Windows Mail???? Screw Windows Mail!!!! I'd swear by Thunderbird. If u try Thunderbird, u won't wanna look at another mail program ever again!!! Nuff sed, thank you!
Iv'e tried Thunderbird thank you very much, and although its a good e-mail program, it is nowhere near as easy to set up as Windows Live Mail is, plus it doesn't work with a Hotmail account either. Also inporting your contacts can be a pain as well. I want a DESKTOP e-mail program that does the following
1. Works with all my e-mail clients which include Hotmail, Live Mail, my ISP mail account, Gmail, Yahoo and don't require me to input ANY settings, just my e-mail address and password,
2. Automatically loads up all my contacts without me having to inport anything
3. Works with RSS feeds from IE
4. Let''s me send photographs inside the body of the e-mail to family and friends as a photo e-mail.
6. Includes all newsgroups as well that I am subscribed to.
Thunderbird falls far short of coming up to scratch for me I'm afraid, and takes far too long to set up. I like simplicity thank you very much, and Windows Live Mail acheives that remit.
TG- Take the path with Windows Live Mail. There is an option to turn on a dark colour scheme, its the little paintbrush. It works with POP and IMAP. It works perfectly with Windows Live Hotmail. If not, I recommend Outlook (2003 is truly the best). But if you want to use a literally super-customizable email account, but lose the ability to use Hotmail, get Thunderbird.
- 답변으로 제안됨robinjohnbailey 2009년 9월 8일 화요일 오후 5:28
- OK windows live mail is the new kid on the block, but can anyone tell me if it can support multi users.
I have a PC the whole family use and we can all have our own logon in outlook express, can this be done in live mail?
If this is not possible does anyone know what could be used in its place or should I just keep running XP and give vista and 7 a miss OK windows live mail is the new kid on the block, but can anyone tell me if it can support multi users.
I have a PC the whole family use and we can all have our own logon in outlook express, can this be done in live mail?
If this is not possible does anyone know what could be used in its place or should I just keep running XP and give vista and 7 a miss
This question has already been covered previously. :-)
WLM is independant for each User Account that you create on your PC.
So with each individual User logon, there is a separate WLM account/logon.
Regarding user accounts, if multiple users are on the same PC, they should always have their own individual logon account.
This maintains separate passwords and security, separate user folders (Documents, Pictures, etc.), separate preferences and settings (menu layout, display background etc.), etc.
It even allows whoever-is-in-charge to limit which software is used on which accounts, such as parents not allowing the kids to run the home accounting software, or younger children not getting access to the M+ video games.
Each account type should also be User mode and not Administrator. This significantly reduces the chance of getting malware. And having individual accounts prevents other users from accidentally deleting other user's files etc.- @MrDRGreen
You're absolutely right, but the amount of PEBKAC makes this pretty impossible. Home computers are almost never set up as office machines. Most of the people use one account and everybody fiddles around with it, hence the PEBKAC.
Regards
Rem @MrDRGreen
You're absolutely right, but the amount of PEBKAC makes this pretty impossible. Home computers are almost never set up as office machines. Most of the people use one account and everybody fiddles around with it, hence the PEBKAC.
Regards
Rem
While I do agree that some people don't realize that this can be done or know how to do this, it is actually very easy in Windows. It is something that MS should be spending more time educating people on what to click since it only takes a few seconds to set up another account.
A lot of home users that I know have multiple accounts on their computer because their kids want to keep their siblings from messing around with their personal files.
I do disagree that this type of setup is designed for offices though, it is also meant for home users and MS does market this feature that way, as they have since XP with the Welcome screen and other user features.
A few clicks in Control Panel's User Accounts app to create a new account, and there will be a new user icon on the Welcome screen, it's that easy. Windows 7 does make it a bit more difficult in that you have one additional item click to get to the Create Account function.- Windows Live Mail is OK for reading emails (even though it doesn't let you save your messages to hard drive folders). There is another very important function though, which Widows Mail was doing barely and which the now defunct Outlook Express was doing perfectly: access to the third largest (after Web and email) section of Internet - Usenet. Windows Live has NO tools to access Usenet newsgroups and those of us who have been active for years in newsgroups (non-Microsoft) now have to turn for solutions to sources outside Microsoft. Such solutions do exist but Microsoft's walking away from Usenet users makes Microsoft much less relevant for them!
- I don't like "free" staff. Usually you get what you pay for. I would be very happy to pay for working version of Outlook Express compatible with Vista and/or Windows 7.
Windows Live Mail is OK for reading emails (even though it doesn't let you save your messages to hard drive folders). There is another very important function though, which Widows Mail was doing barely and which the now defunct Outlook Express was doing perfectly: access to the third largest (after Web and email) section of Internet - Usenet. Windows Live has NO tools to access Usenet newsgroups and those of us who have been active for years in newsgroups (non-Microsoft) now have to turn for solutions to sources outside Microsoft. Such solutions do exist but Microsoft's walking away from Usenet users makes Microsoft much less relevant for them!
More misinformation and lies. Windows Live Mail supports usenet completely. Try using it before you pretend to be an expert.Windows Live Mail is OK for reading emails (even though it doesn't let you save your messages to hard drive folders). There is another very important function though, which Widows Mail was doing barely and which the now defunct Outlook Express was doing perfectly: access to the third largest (after Web and email) section of Internet - Usenet. Windows Live has NO tools to access Usenet newsgroups and those of us who have been active for years in newsgroups (non-Microsoft) now have to turn for solutions to sources outside Microsoft. Such solutions do exist but Microsoft's walking away from Usenet users makes Microsoft much less relevant for them!
More misinformation and lies. Windows Live Mail supports usenet completely. Try using it before you pretend to be an expert.
This thread is interesting, I have read these, and he only thing that I get out of it; is that you can't please all of the people all of the time, and some of the people some of the time.
I have been running Vista Ultimate since it came out in beta and than rc and than final, I have tried all the configurations, and no one that I build these systems ever had a problem. the key is to build a system that you don't get back and that works with everything...go figure what a concept. now I have Win 7 ultimate and the same thing, you can't please the masses.....what a concept. i have been building system for about 24 years, and with microsoft just as long, and there have been some hickups, you write that much code and see if you don't get a hickup...but it gets fixed. oh well just my 2 cents worth.- 답변으로 제안됨windberg 2009년 9월 21일 월요일 오후 9:50
Dear Expert. First, I have never claimed to be an expert! - Saying that one has been using Usenet for years makes one no more of a computer expert than saying that one has been eating all life long makes one an expert dietitian. I am looking for answers here - not showing off my "expertise."
Second: I have just followed your advice, redownloaded and reinstalled Windows Live and ... the same thing happened as the event which forced me a few months ago to switch from Windows Mail to Ozum reader for newsgroups and to web-based mail for email: I can see the headers and of email messages and newsgroup messages but the bodies of either messages don't show up.
I have tried using my limited "expertise" to play with settings of all the involved applications - nothing is helping. Unlike you and PNPTECH I lack computer sofistication (even though I have been subscribing to Microsoft Developers Network until the subscription became prohibitively expensive) - maybe you can lend me a thought or two as to what could have happened? I have been a dedicated MS enthusiast since 1995 and I am getting frustrated when it becomes impossible for me to continue using such popular applications as Outlook Express or MS Money or when I have to switch from MS Earth to Google Earth (I hate Google but their Earth has better functionality!). I keep being an MS fan and, as I said in my other message, I will be happy to pay for their popular applications like Outlook Express as long as they keep their former functionality.
Another thing about WLM - it seems to be running so slowly on my new and relatively powerful computer with DSL connection. Newsgroups messages just fly with Ozum on the same computer and email messages load immediately through webmail. I have just set up WLM for my Verizon/Yahoo mail account and the inbox shows "no messages" even though I know that there are hundreds there.
Sorry for displaying my stupidity but I am searching for answers.- windows live sucks plain and simple, I can't understand why Microsoft refuses to bring back outlook express since it's so obvious the majority of people want it and after the disaster that was vista you'd think the PR department would be trying to make potential customers happy not drive away even more....
- 답변으로 제안됨windberg 2009년 9월 21일 월요일 오후 9:34
windows live sucks plain and simple, I can't understand why Microsoft refuses to bring back outlook express since it's so obvious the majority of people want it and after the disaster that was vista you'd think the PR department would be trying to make potential customers happy not drive away even more....
Are you still using Win3.1 or Win98? Outlook Express is aimed at grade school level. Time to upgrade to an adult email program like WLM. Anything OE could do WLM can do better. WLM is a major leap forward!- 답변으로 제안됨windberg 2009년 9월 21일 월요일 오후 9:49
Time to upgrade to an adult email program like WLM. Anything OE could do WLM can do better. WLM is a major leap forward!
That's sheer nonsense. As I already stated in another thread, most homeusers don't set their computers up the way a corporation would. Homeusers often have multiple users on a single account. Outlook express handled the privacy of a single user with regards to a single mail account better. That is easier to apprehend for the common user.
When it comes to upgrade to an adult email program, I'd rather suggest Office Outlook. Haven't found any program that beats that one. WLM is fancy, nice colours etc... (and doesn't suck whatever people may say) but doesn't comply with my needs i.e. an adult email handling organizer.
I admit I regretted Outlook Express, but better stuff is around. Unfortunately it is not WLM.
Regards
Rem
Nothing to do with the corporate world.Time to upgrade to an adult email program like WLM. Anything OE could do WLM can do better. WLM is a major leap forward !
That's sheer nonsense. As I already stated in another thread, most homeusers don't set their computers up the way a corporation would. Homeusers often have multiple users on a single account. Outlook express handled the privacy of a single user with regards to a single mail account better. That is easier to apprehend for the common user.
When it comes to upgrade to an adult email program, I'd rather suggest Office Outlook. Haven't found any program that beats that one. WLM is fancy, nice colours etc... (and doesn't suck whatever people may say) but doesn't comply with my needs i.e. an adult email handling organizer.
I admit I regretted Outlook Express, but better stuff is around. Unfortunately it is not WLM.
Regards
Rem
Most home people customize their desktop and don't want their wife or kids messing with it. That's why Microsoft created user accounts - for privacy and to protect each user's space. When one boots the computer or returns from standby, the login screen is presented. The user clicks on his name and is presented with his own private space including WLM. What could be easier or more logical?- I love Windows Live Mail - Workspace - Messenger - etc. I don't understand the anomisity toward MS for not giving us something that was not really that good anyway. With Windows Live %applet%, I find it very flexible, safe and meets all of my needs.
The only real problem I can see is probably the inability to import outlook express archives or mail files. But I don't know for sure that it can't. I use the web-based version of Windows Live Mail, not the local program.
NOTE: E-mail is no more secure sitting on your computer than using a web-based solution like hotmail/Live/gmail. E-mail is still passing through hundreds of servers on the Internet, and quite often, servers keeps a cache of just about everything that passes through its network connection on the web. If you want your information to remain private, then don't use the Internet, don't use e-mail. Lick a stamp and cross your fingers that it makes it to its destination in tact.
Just a thought.
May I rant a little on the topic of Outlook Express? This rant is directed to those who are upset with MS because they didn't provide Outlook Express in Win7 -- TechnoGranny, I'm with you- you seemed to have a good perspective on things. Ok, here it goes:
With so many freely available programs for handling e-mail, I can't believe that we have to keep whining about Outlook Express or Windows Mail not being available in Windows 7. Windows 7 does so many things much better than XP and Vista, that I'll give up the option of using a sub-adequate e-mail client on my computer.
Whew! I feel better now. I bet I changed everyone's opinion, didn't I? I know I didn't make a difference. No one likes to be wrong or misinformed. Everyone likes to be the smartest and wisest, and when their opinion is challenged, they get bent all out of shape. How dare they! How could I be wrong! How could anyone have an opinion different from my own.
Here is a little exercise: Make a list of the things you like about Outlook Express or Windows Mail (Vista), and then compare those features with other e-mail clients and see if you can't find something free that will make a difference in your life.
Don't misunderstand, I think it is ok that people like Outlook Express. I just don't think it is very productive to complain when Mickey D's doesn't put salt on my fries. Get out the shaker and put salt on it yourself. Some people don't like or don't need salt. Salt is free (practically). You can get it just about everywhere. See the analogy? (I bet the complaints keep rolling in -- oh well, I tried) ;0) - No need.
Check out Mozilla Thunderbird.
Much more resistant to Spam also. And can be hotted up with plug-ins etc. I love Windows Live Mail - Workspace - Messenger - etc. I don't understand the anomisity toward MS for not giving us something that was not really that good anyway. With Windows Live %applet%, I find it very flexible, safe and meets all of my needs.
The only real problem I can see is probably the inability to import outlook express archives or mail files. But I don't know for sure that it can't. I use the web-based version of Windows Live Mail, not the local program.
NOTE: E-mail is no more secure sitting on your computer than using a web-based solution like hotmail/Live/gmail. E-mail is still passing through hundreds of servers on the Internet, and quite often, servers keeps a cache of just about everything that passes through its network connection on the web. If you want your information to remain private, then don't use the Internet, don't use e-mail. Lick a stamp and cross your fingers that it makes it to its destination in tact.
Just a thought.
May I rant a little on the topic of Outlook Express? This rant is directed to those who are upset with MS because they didn't provide Outlook Express in Win7 -- TechnoGranny, I'm with you- you seemed to have a good perspective on things. Ok, here it goes:
With so many freely available programs for handling e-mail, I can't believe that we have to keep whining about Outlook Express or Windows Mail not being available in Windows 7. Windows 7 does so many things much better than XP and Vista, that I'll give up the option of using a sub-adequate e-mail client on my computer.
Whew! I feel better now. I bet I changed everyone's opinion, didn't I? I know I didn't make a difference. No one likes to be wrong or misinformed. Everyone likes to be the smartest and wisest, and when their opinion is challenged, they get bent all out of shape. How dare they! How could I be wrong! How could anyone have an opinion different from my own.
Here is a little exercise: Make a list of the things you like about Outlook Express or Windows Mail (Vista), and then compare those features with other e-mail clients and see if you can't find something free that will make a difference in your life.
Don't misunderstand, I think it is ok that people like Outlook Express. I just don't think it is very productive to complain when Mickey D's doesn't put salt on my fries. Get out the shaker and put salt on it yourself. Some people don't like or don't need salt. Salt is free (practically). You can get it just about everywhere. See the analogy? (I bet the complaints keep rolling in -- oh well, I tried) ;0)
Boy you must feel really good now huh? You just made an analogy like compaing apples to roast beef. See the analogy genious? People like you still amaze me. OE is not a grade school email client. It is quiet robist and does the one thing myself and many others like that none of the others do, and that is allow us to create multiple PASSWORD protected email accounts. Please don't come back with that you can create seperate user ID's ____. Everyone in my house uses the same programs and have no desire to have to go through the process of signing on and off accounts every dang time we wish to do something. The only thing we use seperate is our email accounts which OE handled well. That's my only beef with Vista and Windows. Of which I use both and like them greatly. Have never saw the problem people complain about with Vista as I have never had so much as a hickup with it and Win 7 the same. I have my order on file now for the official release when it starts shipping and another free upgrade as well. Making OE unavailable either free or as a paid program makes no sense condisering the amount of users that live and die by it. It's just that simple to me.
Have a nice day,
Beazzwindows live sucks plain and simple, I can't understand why Microsoft refuses to bring back outlook express since it's so obvious the majority of people want it and after the disaster that was vista you'd think the PR department would be trying to make potential customers happy not drive away even more....
Are you still using Win3.1 or Win98? Outlook Express is aimed at grade school level. Time to upgrade to an adult email program like WLM. Anything OE could do WLM can do better. WLM is a major leap forward!
Yea, anything except allow password protected seperate user accounts. Which so happens to be what everyone wants genious. Wonder how much Microsoft is paying some of you who are obviously connected to the company for your non stop rants about how great WLM is and how useless the most widely used PC based email program on the planet was?
What everyone wants? Spare me! Please stick to the facts. Show me your proof. WLM is a major improvement. If you want Outlook Express, stay with WinXP or even Win98.
Yea, anything except allow password protected seperate user accounts. Which so happens to be what everyone wants genious. Wonder how much Microsoft is paying some of you who are obviously connected to the company for your non stop rants about how great WLM is and how useless the most widely used PC based email program on the planet was?
What everyone wants? Spare me! Please stick to the facts. Show me your proof. WLM is a major improvement. If you want Outlook Express, stay with WinXP or even Win98.
Yea, anything except allow password protected seperate user accounts. Which so happens to be what everyone wants genious. Wonder how much Microsoft is paying some of you who are obviously connected to the company for your non stop rants about how great WLM is and how useless the most widely used PC based email program on the planet was?
Whose facts? Yours? Uh huh.. How bout you actually READ many of the comments from people that do not like WLM and DO like OE. One feature that keeps coming up over and over as soarly missed in your *major improvement* WLM is the LACK of password protected multiple accounts. Those are the facts!! And no, I will not stick to any of your older OS's as I already have Vista 64bit and Win 7 64 bit installed on all my pc's and I'd wager to bet I got more of a clue of what they will and will not do then you Mr Microsoft front man. People like you are a dime a dozen and complete phonys. How bout MS do away with MS office entirely and make it completely unavailable to the 10's of millions of people that use it? Then come out with a completely new office suite and call it a *major improvement* and have clowns like you tell all those that won't MS office back to go back to Windows XP if they still wish to live in the dark ages and just can't accept progress? Sounds damn silly huh? Well that's exactly what they have done with OE and exactly how YOU and your kind sound with your pathetic excuse for MS doing it.
I'll work around this MS fiasco as many others have chose to do and use 3rd party PC based email clients. What I will not be doing any time soon is useing WLM!!
Nothing to do with the corporate world.Time to upgrade to an adult email program like WLM. Anything OE could do WLM can do better. WLM is a major leap forward !
That's sheer nonsense. As I already stated in another thread, most homeusers don't set their computers up the way a corporation would. Homeusers often have multiple users on a single account. Outlook express handled the privacy of a single user with regards to a single mail account better. That is easier to apprehend for the common user.
When it comes to upgrade to an adult email program, I'd rather suggest Office Outlook. Haven't found any program that beats that one. WLM is fancy, nice colours etc... (and doesn't suck whatever people may say) but doesn't comply with my needs i.e. an adult email handling organizer.
I admit I regretted Outlook Express, but better stuff is around. Unfortunately it is not WLM.
Regards
Rem
Most home people customize their desktop and don't want their wife or kids messing with it. That's why Microsoft created user accounts - for privacy and to protect each user's space. When one boots the computer or returns from standby, the login screen is presented. The user clicks on his name and is presented with his own private space including WLM. What could be easier or more logical?
Wrong again genious. Most home users do NOT set up multiple user accounts as they all use the same programs and it is simply redundant and a useless hassle to be constantly signing on and off of accounts everytime you get on your PC. But thanks for that genious piece of tootalage on how to use seperate user accounts. One can tell you are a real *expert* in the Windows field. lol Now go pat yourself on the back and tell yourself how smart you are waddi. Oh, and tell MS we all say hello!!Wrong again genious. Most home users do NOT set up multiple user accounts as they all use the same programs and it is simply redundant and a useless hassle to be constantly signing on and off of accounts everytime you get on your PC. But thanks for that genious piece of tootalage on how to use seperate user accounts. One can tell you are a real *expert* in the Windows field. lol Now go pat yourself on the back and tell yourself how smart you are waddi. Oh, and tell MS we all say hello!!
Once again people are posting on here with false information, who do not know what they are talking about.
1. Many home users set up multiple accounts on their PCs. I know of plenty who do. It is the best and most secure way to have multiple users on one computer.
Windows normally defaults to an initial administrator-level user account, so if you do not create multiple other user accounts at a lower user-level then you are just asking for easier malware infection -- so enjoy your viruses and id theft.
2. With multiple user accounts you still only install your software once and it is available to all users. You do not have to install the software for each user.
However, with individual user accounts you can control what software each user has access to, so you can prevent younger children from running things like rated-M games or home finance software. You can also limit web content access on young children accounts, etc.
3. You do not have to sign off to let someone else use their own user account, you simply use the Switch User item on the Start Menu. It's called Fast User Switching.
User accounts also has the benefit of making your data more secure, since other people need to know your password to get to your user account files.
Everyone please take some time to understand how the OS works before posting nonsense and trying to mislead other people.
If those of you who constantly post this garbage prefer running less secure then so be it, but quit hassling those here who are providing real answers to the questions about WLM use. People like you are why we see the Mac vs PC ads on TV.- 답변으로 제안됨sawaddi 2009년 9월 23일 수요일 오후 4:26
- @MrDRGreen
It's not really important whether you're right or wrong as far as the user accounts are concerned (btw, I think you're right); the problem is that most home-users are still not familiar with the fast user switch. Quite a lot of computers around are fairly old and people deactivated that option in order to have better performances. My old neighbour doesn't want to know how the OS works. He switches on his computer, pops his mail, as does his wife, using each their own mail identitiy.
Outlook Express certainly had its positive sides.
The "stupid" thing Microsoft did when creating WLM is that they did not incorporate the positive sides of OE. The same goes for Media Player. In the evolution things were stripped. That may not be satisfactory to a lot of people.
The initial question was What happened to Windows Mail. The answer is: IT IS GONE.
Microsoft made a successor called WLM. If someone doesn't like that product, he/she is free to find another mailprogramme.
That's just my tuppence of input.
Regards
Rem @MrDRGreen
... the problem is that most home-users are still not familiar with the fast user switch. Quite a lot of computers around are fairly old and people deactivated that option in order to have better performances.
That's just my tuppence of input.
I agree with your tuppence and raise you one pence...
However, the OE multi-identity was a learned process, just like the method of user accounts is a learned process (and is just as easy). The problem is that most people don't want to learn and don't like change, regardless if it brings benefits or not.
Regarding user switching:
Windows XP allowed setting "Fast User Switching" on or off in Control Panel's User Accounts settings.
However, WLM is targetted for Windows 7, and Windows 7 (and Vista) has the "Switch user" item in the Start menu's Shut Down button-menu all of the time. This makes it quick and easy to switch user accounts without having to log off first, and without having to change any Control Panel settings.
Windows 7 (and Vista) also manages multiple user accounts much better than XP.
So since WLM was essentially designed for Windows 7, people need to learn how to properly use Windows 7 and to take advantage of its better security benefits.
Adding user accounts, using fast switching, and other simple home-user functions should be something that Microsoft spends more time educating people about.- When I got my Vista o/s laptop I initially did not look for Express or the address book but eventually looked at them and also the calendar program that was new. The 3 apps worked together and provided a simple but usable PC PIM and e-mail client. I actually liked it and used it with some regularity though I have a commercial management system. With Win7 and the removal of the 3 apps, I think MS did not do so as a result of any court action but realized 2 things: 1) it could reduce the dependency on Outlook and the revenue source from it and, 2) it provided the missing app for OpenOffice that to date lacks this feature for some reason.
There are alternatives to MS Live such as Google but I've been working with Corel Lightning. I especially like the bookmark and flexibility of the tags. It also allows uploads of any file but does not have web based wordprocessing or spreadsheet. Collaboration for the free version is limited as to # of users. I also use Corel Wordperfect X4 that over the years has seen improvements to WordPerfect and Quattropro rather than massive rewrites. It still is superior for most users to MS Office and more refined than OpenOffice.
It would be nice if MS would allow Win7 users to download and install the 3 apps which would combat any conflict but as I do not see it as being the reason for them removing the apps, I do not see it happening. I do see a complaint against them as to Live as all you have to do is sneeze and it gets downloaded and installed. So far, it has been installed on 4 computers of mine without my express desire to do so. I'm still trying to figure out how to kill it from starting up automatically or removing it. - Why do all the people that have open source software installed and bash the ____ out of MS have Windows installed on thier PCs? Shut up and build a Linux box.
You'll be sorry when you do.
Most people that spout complaints or negative remarks about MS are just repeating stuff they heard floating around. Most people that complain about MS have no f'n clue about computers (hardware or software)...
Morons - Never read such a bunch of bull****.
I don't use WLM because it doesn't fit my needs (using Office Outlook), but I think you are having a problem called PEBKAC
Cheers
Rem
Paranoia, nothing more. No one is forcing you to upgrade. Stay with Win98 or XP. I think you may be confusing Windows Live Hotmail with Live Mail Desktop anyway.I use Windows Live Mail for my junk...like mailing lists and contact info for the many sites that we all join up to. I do not and will never ever use it for my everyday email. I regularly change my password and never store anything of importance in Windows Live Mail .
Windows Live Mail isn’t really an email program - it's really Internet Explorer modified with email controls to look like an email program. Windows Live Mail is cloud-based computing.
The potential for security problems is high storing millions of users' data in the cloud without clearly disclosing the risks involved is wrong. I don’t know about many of the users already predominantly using Windows Live Mail but I don’t want my personal email turned into money making mini- billboards...I hate the advertising on the bottom...it doesn’t need to be on our personal email nor on any business emails.
With Windows Live Mail many people will just use it and not know that their email messages, passwords, account data, settings, etc etc are being stored "in the cloud" as well as synchronized on their computer's hard drive.
How many of you who have been using the same email addresses for years and aren't going to change your passwords just because you’ve got a new email program? Importing addresses in Windows Live Mail is importing those addresses and all the settings and your messages into the cloud...and that makes it very vulnerable.
How many people use very simple passwords - and how many use the same password for everything. People are going to have to learn to create some very difficult passwords with random characters - or a lot of people are going to lose some very sensitive data if Windows Live Mail ever becomes the program that most Windows 7 users decide to use.
I will not be upgrading to Windows 7...I want a choice to have a real email program within my operating system one that isn’t in the cloud and one that I know is protected on my system with my password that isn’t stored out on the internet... I love Windows Mail, I have never had any trouble with it and works perfectly on my Laptop and my Desktop in both Vista Ultimate and my Vista Home Premium. I know many people who don’t use and never had used Outlook Express or Windows Mail and only use their Webmail from their internet provider...that is their choice....Microsoft wasn’t making them use Outlook Express or Windows Mail..but the choice was there if they wanted to start using them...
Why can’t Microsoft have an Email Program like Outlook Express or Windows Mail as an alternate download if it is wanted on the system. If people want, they can go and download it...everybody happy. Those that want it can get it and those that don’t aren’t made to have an unwanted email program on their computers.
So unless Microsoft offer a real email program with Windows 7 or any future Windows releases I will not be using Microsoft anymore...Microsoft is greedy and doesn’t listen to the people who have been lining their pockets for years...Shame on Microsoft!!
Ed, your comments are from the 13th century. Many persons do no like the MS O/S and applications for a variety of reasons. Many have MS O/S simply because of the practices of MS and the lock it has on the software community. I run MS in the office simply b/c my tax software only can be mounted on MS O/S.
I grew up using TRS-DOS and the Xenix and when MSDOS came out found nothing it did better than TRSDOS and far less than Xenix. Windows 3.0 and 3.1 came out, but they really did nothing over a text based system other than allow the use of a mouse. And neither the GUI or the mouse are MS developments. Win95 showed promise and 98 was more evolutionary that revolutionary. The the days of NT, 98SE, 98ME and MS seemed to totally lose it. They showed they were a bloated company and not capable of really original thought or design. 2000 and XP refocused them on bringing out the thing persons needed, a stable O/S. However, Vista was a marketing mistep. Apple and MS had an issue with the need to cut the backwards compatibility string to move their respective OSs forward. Apple was just figured it out better. MS made a clear cut between old and new while Apple bridged the gap. An error as it violated one of BG's O/S requirements of backwards compatibility. The company did get it right or at least had the model for when it phased out DOS in the O/S. Few persons a problem by the time it was eliminated. This error cost MS dearly with corporate accounts who could not afford to make a wholesale conversion from 2000 and XP. Win 7 may have a better reception not b/c it is a better O/S but corporate has to deal with end of life cycles of hardware and if the soothsayers are right, it is coming out on the positive side of the economic situation that next year may start to free up IT budget. Government controls and new reporting requirements will also require investment in new technology for many companies so it is also a fuel to the update fire.
As for your comments about Linux, it is no better or worse than MS O/S or OS X just an alternative. As someone who has used all 3 of these I've found that none are perfect and none are poor. They each need setup and each need maintenance and none are easy in this regard. Apple is maybe the easiest as it has more control over the available hardware and O/S as a package. Linux is a mixed system. It is complete enough to not need additional apps for many things, is stable, but, still has enough challenges that setup is not dissimilar to MS was a decade ago. The difficulty with it is the several flavors making drivers a bit of a challenge for 3rd party companies to write to and software vendors writing apps. It has come a long way and when mounted and setup, it is easy to use and as good as any of the other O/Ss. It is not the O/S that matters but the available apps that we actually use.
WLM is an abrupt and radical change and MS has tried it before and it has not caught on. While apps on the internet may be the future, it is not the way most work and this is an error MS will have to deal with in the future. It presents an opportunity for others to move. It may be that in the eyes of MS that there are only 2 logical choices for e-mail, Outlook for the corporate and business and WLM for individuals and those not using Outlook but there are alternatives other than these and not allowing for more of a transition may come back to haunt them.As for your knock on Linux, I suspect you may be in some way directly or indirectly benefiting from a relationship with MS as it seems to be this group that profferes such comments. Yes there are those who have tried it and it is not their cup of tea, the same as there are those who have tried OX S and have the same result or even Vista or Win 7.
- I do not like what he was expelled from Windows Mail Windows 7 Windows Live Mail does not work with screen reader for blind persons Jaws for Windows.
WLM is an abrupt and radical change and MS has tried it before and it has not caught on. While apps on the internet may be the future, it is not the way most work and this is an error MS will have to deal with in the future. It presents an opportunity for others to move. It may be that in the eyes of MS that there are only 2 logical choices for e-mail, Outlook for the corporate and business and WLM for individuals and those not using Outlook but there are alternatives other than these and not allowing for more of a transition may come back to haunt them.
Brian, are you sure you're talking about WLM? WLM is as much an "app on the internet" as Outlook Express. WLM and Hotmail are not the same thing.
Regards
RemThere is a sucurity flaw in windows live mail on win 7 try logging to your email account but do not enter then close your log on window and you will find that your email account is displayed to get round this remove live mail go to hotmail.com log in and create a desk top short cut to sign in hope this is of help dessieclive
- Dear tonybkiwi,
I cannot move my contacts and mail from Outlook Express to Outlook. Kindly help.
Paul Cheuk - @pCheuk,
Not not telling us enough about your needs like Outlook ? 2002, XP, 2003, 2005, 2007........ But they all are simular somewhat to what you need to do. In most cases click on the "File" toolbar and select either "Import or Import and Export..." and select "Import from another program or file". Now you should find and select "Outlook Express 4.x, 5.x, 6.x or Windows Mail" (from Office 2007 you won't have all of these in older Outlook versions). It should go out and find the .wab file and start the import update.
In General
As to Thunderbird, sure it works OK but definately doesn't have the power/features that Outlook has and then on top of that like others have mentioned try importing your emails and personal info to another client, it's probably not going to happen. Opera is another email client that some people like as well it also is not as nice as Outlook.
Open Office is nice I use it on some of my PC's but I prefer Star Office over Open which is the pay version. MS Office is nicer than Open Office but for free Open Office can handle most of the feature that MS provides so it's not a bad alternative.
I can't say that like Live although it does work like others I don't like the GUI and I certainly don't need the Live/IM junk but I don't Twitter either. Windows Mail???? Screw Windows Mail!!!! I'd swear by Thunderbird. If u try Thunderbird, u won't wanna look at another mail program ever again!!! Nuff sed, thank you!
Iv'e tried Thunderbird thank you very much, and although its a good e-mail program, it is nowhere near as easy to set up as Windows Live Mail is, plus it doesn't work with a Hotmail account either. Also inporting your contacts can be a pain as well. I want a DESKTOP e-mail program that does the following
1. Works with all my e-mail clients which include Hotmail, Live Mail, my ISP mail account, Gmail, Yahoo and don't require me to input ANY settings, just my e-mail address and password,
2. Automatically loads up all my contacts without me having to inport anything
3. Works with RSS feeds from IE
4. Let''s me send photographs inside the body of the e-mail to family and friends as a photo e-mail.
6. Includes all newsgroups as well that I am subscribed to.
Thunderbird falls far short of coming up to scratch for me I'm afraid, and takes far too long to set up. I like simplicity thank you very much, and Windows Live Mail acheives that remit.
TG
Dear TechnoGranny,
Are you one of those silver surfer types, as your name implies? :)
TB is very easy to set up. Had no problems setting it up on my new HP laptop and Dell Mini 9 netbook. TB does work with Hotmail, Yahoo (if you have subscribed to the Yahoo Mail Plus service), 전자 우편은 보이지 않는다, Gmail, Libero and AOL webmail accounts.
All you need is to download and install the WebMail v1.3.3 extension which can be found at http://webmail.mozdev.org first,
then restart Firefox, then download the relevant extensions:-
Hotmail v1.2.24 (which also works with Windows Live webmail accounts)
Yahoo v1.4.6
전자 우편은 보이지 않는다 v1.1.8
Gmail v0.6.4
Libero v0.9.5
AOL v1.2.11
You can download the WebMail extension and the relevant extensions from the downloads area at:-
http://webmail.mozdev.org/installation.html
A word of warning. The default server settings that was used when the program was first set up on my HP and Dell worked most of the time, but not always every time. Then I found out why.
When the program is set up for the first time, it is set up with 'localhost' in the 'Server Name' field in the 'Server Settings' section. This is easy to fix. Just change 'localhost' to 'pop3.live.com' (without the quotes), then put '995' in the 'Port' field and select SSL in the 'Security Settings' area on the 'Server Settings' page.
Then all you need is your Hotmail/Yahoo/etc. and your password to set up your webmail account in TB.
You can import your Outlook contacts into TB - see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Import_Outlook_contacts and also import your
mails into TB - see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Migration
What I like about TB is that it is very good for when you are away from home, you are on mobile broadband and you need to access your mails, and the way it sorts all incoming emails into different folders automatically which Qualcomm Eudora (my old email program, also desk-bound) couldn't quite manage.
As for no. 3, see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_RSS_Basics
As for no. 4, you can either attach a photo to your outgoing email as an attachment, or alternatively, open the photo with Paint, press CTRL-A to select all, then CTRL-C to copy the photo into memory, and in TB, create a new email, then paste the photo from into the body of the email with CTRL-V.
As for no. 6, see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Joining_newsgroups
And, by the way, where's no. 5???? :)
Regards,
AussieGenius- ROTF
Thanks AussieGenius for making my day start with a good laugh. Mind this is not a pun at all, but saying TB is easy to install and then writing us a manual that will certainly scare the s*** out of 90 percent of the posters here was really funny.
btw the usefulness of a program cannot be measured in terms of it being easy or not to setup.
Regards
Rem - AussieGenius
I'd suggest you withdraw that. If you don't want to understand my post, you're in your right to do so. But don't ever be impolite.
I do not share your enthousiasm for TB. That is my right.
TB is a good mail programme for quite a lot of users. Some people have however some difficulties to set it up properly. Hence claiming it is easy to set up made me laugh. I said it was not a pun.
Therefor I do not accept your comment.
Rem - Hi All -
Appreciate the candid and healthy debate and perspectives everyone is brining. In line with a healthy debate, please refrain from any personal attacks and foul language. Matt - thank you !
- I don't really want to buy Office as well as paying to upgrade to Windows 7 from Vista. I liked Outlook Express and Windows Mail works fine for me. I haven't seen anyone address the fact that Windows 7 also doesn't include a newsreader. I read and post to several newsgroups and I definitely don't want to do that online. I think Outlook is different from Outlook Express so, if I did buy Office in order to use Outlook, would it include a newsreader? Someone recommended Thunderbird to me last year but I didn't like it.
- If you mean an email program to handle your newsgroups then Windows Live Mail does exactly that and also your RSS feeds as well. Windows Live Mail is far easier to set up with all your email accounts, any RSS feeds that you set up in IE and also any newsgroups that you wish to subscribe to. Get it at http://download.live.com/wlmail?wa=wsignin1.0
Currently I am running Vista and have Microsoft Office Outlook, I want to download Windows 7, and I realize it does not support Outlook. What can I do to make sure all my messages currently in Outlook get set up in another email program?
Thanks
Whit66- Whit66 schreef op 1-11-2009 20:17:
> Currently I am running Vista and have Microsoft Office Outlook, I want
> to download Windows 7, and I realize it does not support Outlook. What
> can I do to make sure all my messages currently in Outlook get set up in
> another email program?
MS Outlook is perfectly supported by Win7:
http://www.msoutlook.info/question/303
Just transfer outlook.pst to Win7 to keep your old messages, contact etc.
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Karel Vos [MVP - Windows Desktop Experience] - But how do you download outlook from office 2007
- jlgnd schreef op 3-11-2009 15:52:
> But how do you download outlook from office 2007
Outlook 2007 is part of the Office 2007 Suite, but *not* in the Home and
Student edition :-(
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/FX101635841033.aspx
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Karel Vos [MVP - Windows Desktop Experience]
