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  • Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:20 AMBrian Abbott Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I updated to Vista SP2 on 27 May 09, every time I have rebooted since, it takes an age for the password screen to show. Subsequently, it takes my OS a long time to load all programs.
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  • Friday, May 29, 2009 3:37 PMMartin - Support Engineer Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
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    I suggest performing a clean boot to prevent startup programs from loading in the background.

    You may have a few items running in the background conflicting and causing this issue.

    To help troubleshoot error messages and other issues, you can start Windows Vista by using a minimal set of drivers and startup programs. This kind of startup is known as a "clean boot." A clean boot helps eliminate software conflicts. This article describes how to troubleshoot problems in Windows Vista by performing a clean boot. This article also describes how to start the Windows Installer service and how to reset the computer so that it starts as usual.

    Note When you perform a clean boot, you may temporarily lose some functionality. When you start the computer as usual, the functionality returns. However, you may receive the original error message, or you may experience the original behavior.

     

    If the computer is connected to a network, network policy settings may prevent you from following these steps. We strongly recommend that you do not use the System Configuration utility to modify the advanced boot options on the computer unless a Microsoft support engineer directs you to do this. Doing this may make the computer unusable.

    a.             Log on to the computer by using an account that has administrator rights.

    b.     Click Start Collapse this image Expand this image , type msconfig.exe in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER to start the System Configuration Utility.

    Collapse this image Expand this image If you are prompted for an administrator password or for confirmation, type your password, or click Continue .

    c.             On the General tab, click Selective Startup , and then click to clear the Load startup items check box. (The Use Original Boot.ini check box is unavailable.)

    d.     On the Services tab, click to select the Hide all Microsoft services check box, and then click Disable all .

    Note Following this step lets Microsoft services continue to run. These services include Networking, Plug and Play, Event Logging, Error Reporting, and other services. If you disable these services, you may permanently delete all restore points. Do not do this if you want to use the System Restore utility together with existing restore points.

    e.     Click OK , and then click Restart .

    Step 2: Enable half of the services

    a.             Follow steps 1a and 1b to start the System Configuration utility.

    b.     Click the Services tab, and then click to select the Hide all Microsoft services check box.

    c.     Click to select half of the check boxes in the Service list.

    d.     Click OK , and then click Restart .

    Step 3: Determine whether the problem returns

    If the problem still occurs, repeat step 1 and step 2. In step 2, click to clear half of the check boxes that you originally selected in the Service list.

    If the problem does not occur, repeat step 1 and step 2. In step 2, select only half of the remaining check boxes that are cleared in the
    Service list. Repeat these steps until you have selected all the check boxes.

    If only one service is selected in the
    Service list, and you still experience the problem, the selected service causes the problem. Go to step 6. If no service causes this problem, go to step 4.

    Step 4: Enable half of the Startup items

    a.             Perform a clean boot by repeating step 1.

    b.     Click the Startup tab, and then click to select half of the check boxes in the Startup Item list.

    c.     Click OK , and then click Restart .

    Step 5: Determine whether the problem returns

    If the problem still occurs, repeat step 1 and step 4. In step 4, click to clear half of the check boxes that you originally selected in the Startup Item list.

    If the problem does not occur, repeat step 1 and step 4. In step 4, select only half of the remaining check boxes that are cleared in the
    Startup Item list. Repeat these steps until you have selected all the check boxes.

    If only one startup item is selected in the
    Startup Item list, and you still experience the problem, the startup item that is selected in the list is the service that is causing the problem. Go to step 6.

    If no startup item causes this problem, a Microsoft service most likely causes the problem. To determine which Microsoft service may be causing the problem, repeat step 1 and step 2 without selecting the
    Hide all Microsoft services check box in either step.

    Step 6: Resolve the problem

    After you determine the startup item or the service that causes the problem, contact the program manufacturer to determine whether the problem can be resolved. Or, run the System Configuration Utility, and then click to clear the check box for the problem item.

    Step 7: Reset the computer to start as usual

    After you have finished troubleshooting, follow these steps to reset the computer to start as usual:

    Click Start Collapse this image Expand this image , type msconfig.exe in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER.

    Collapse this image Expand this image If you are prompted for an administrator password or for confirmation, type your password, or click Continue .

    On the General tab, click the Normal Startup option, and then click OK .

    When you are prompted to restart the computer, click Restart .

     

     

    Hope this helps :)


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  • Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:36 PMNelizMastr Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
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    I have seen benchmarks, but now its even worse than I expected. the benchmarks showed a nearly 20% drop of disk performance.

    I can't even download SP2 yet, since my OS is Dutch, and Dutch isnt supported yet


  • Friday, May 29, 2009 2:58 PMRUGRLN Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Good to know I'm not the only one in this position. I too have exactly the same problemo n my QuadCore and find it absolutely unacceptable. Four processors at 2.5GHz, 4GB of DDR2 800 RAM and it needs atleast 5 minutes to get Windows into a perfectly running state. What?!! Are they serious?!!? I can't imagine Vista on a DualCore or slower clock speed CPU!!
  • Friday, May 29, 2009 3:37 PMMartin - Support Engineer Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
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    I suggest performing a clean boot to prevent startup programs from loading in the background.

    You may have a few items running in the background conflicting and causing this issue.

    To help troubleshoot error messages and other issues, you can start Windows Vista by using a minimal set of drivers and startup programs. This kind of startup is known as a "clean boot." A clean boot helps eliminate software conflicts. This article describes how to troubleshoot problems in Windows Vista by performing a clean boot. This article also describes how to start the Windows Installer service and how to reset the computer so that it starts as usual.

    Note When you perform a clean boot, you may temporarily lose some functionality. When you start the computer as usual, the functionality returns. However, you may receive the original error message, or you may experience the original behavior.

     

    If the computer is connected to a network, network policy settings may prevent you from following these steps. We strongly recommend that you do not use the System Configuration utility to modify the advanced boot options on the computer unless a Microsoft support engineer directs you to do this. Doing this may make the computer unusable.

    a.             Log on to the computer by using an account that has administrator rights.

    b.     Click Start Collapse this image Expand this image , type msconfig.exe in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER to start the System Configuration Utility.

    Collapse this image Expand this image If you are prompted for an administrator password or for confirmation, type your password, or click Continue .

    c.             On the General tab, click Selective Startup , and then click to clear the Load startup items check box. (The Use Original Boot.ini check box is unavailable.)

    d.     On the Services tab, click to select the Hide all Microsoft services check box, and then click Disable all .

    Note Following this step lets Microsoft services continue to run. These services include Networking, Plug and Play, Event Logging, Error Reporting, and other services. If you disable these services, you may permanently delete all restore points. Do not do this if you want to use the System Restore utility together with existing restore points.

    e.     Click OK , and then click Restart .

    Step 2: Enable half of the services

    a.             Follow steps 1a and 1b to start the System Configuration utility.

    b.     Click the Services tab, and then click to select the Hide all Microsoft services check box.

    c.     Click to select half of the check boxes in the Service list.

    d.     Click OK , and then click Restart .

    Step 3: Determine whether the problem returns

    If the problem still occurs, repeat step 1 and step 2. In step 2, click to clear half of the check boxes that you originally selected in the Service list.

    If the problem does not occur, repeat step 1 and step 2. In step 2, select only half of the remaining check boxes that are cleared in the
    Service list. Repeat these steps until you have selected all the check boxes.

    If only one service is selected in the
    Service list, and you still experience the problem, the selected service causes the problem. Go to step 6. If no service causes this problem, go to step 4.

    Step 4: Enable half of the Startup items

    a.             Perform a clean boot by repeating step 1.

    b.     Click the Startup tab, and then click to select half of the check boxes in the Startup Item list.

    c.     Click OK , and then click Restart .

    Step 5: Determine whether the problem returns

    If the problem still occurs, repeat step 1 and step 4. In step 4, click to clear half of the check boxes that you originally selected in the Startup Item list.

    If the problem does not occur, repeat step 1 and step 4. In step 4, select only half of the remaining check boxes that are cleared in the
    Startup Item list. Repeat these steps until you have selected all the check boxes.

    If only one startup item is selected in the
    Startup Item list, and you still experience the problem, the startup item that is selected in the list is the service that is causing the problem. Go to step 6.

    If no startup item causes this problem, a Microsoft service most likely causes the problem. To determine which Microsoft service may be causing the problem, repeat step 1 and step 2 without selecting the
    Hide all Microsoft services check box in either step.

    Step 6: Resolve the problem

    After you determine the startup item or the service that causes the problem, contact the program manufacturer to determine whether the problem can be resolved. Or, run the System Configuration Utility, and then click to clear the check box for the problem item.

    Step 7: Reset the computer to start as usual

    After you have finished troubleshooting, follow these steps to reset the computer to start as usual:

    Click Start Collapse this image Expand this image , type msconfig.exe in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER.

    Collapse this image Expand this image If you are prompted for an administrator password or for confirmation, type your password, or click Continue .

    On the General tab, click the Normal Startup option, and then click OK .

    When you are prompted to restart the computer, click Restart .

     

     

    Hope this helps :)


    Martin
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  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:11 AMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Martin,
    You information had no effect on the problem on my Vista 64-bit machine.

    After the Welcome screen, a light blue screen with only the mouse pointer appears and it takes about 3 minutes 10 seconds to boot or restart the system that worked perfectly and booted quickly before the installation of Vista SP2.

    Even reverting to Vista SP1 has no effect on the problem.

    My machine is an HP m9450f with 8 GB of RAM and a Core 2 Quad CPU at 2.5 GHz.
  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:04 AMJoseph - Support Engineer Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Hi J3Soft,

    Lets make sure you do not have any corrupted files.  Use the System File Checker tool (SFC.exe).  To do this, follow these steps:

    1.       Open an elevated command prompt. To do this, click Start, click All Programs, click Accessories, right-click Command Prompt, and then click Run as administrator. If you are prompted for an administrator password or for a confirmation, type the password, or click Allow.

    2.       Type the following command, and then press ENTER:

    sfc /scannow

    The sfc /scannow command scans all protected system files and replaces incorrect versions with correct Microsoft versions.


     

     


    Thanks for using the Answers Forum. Please let us know how this works out.



    Joseph
    Microsoft Answers Support Engineer
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  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:56 AMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Joseph,
    Thanks for your quick reply.

    Unfortunately, running SFC /scannow did not fix the problem.

    It reported, "Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files but was unable to fix some of them."

    I've uploaded the CBS.log file to http://www.j3soft.net/dl/CBS.log if you want to download it. The only problem files I saw deal with Windows Sidebar.

    So far the only thing that I've found that will get my system back to a more normal boot speed is to turn off User Account Control (UAC). It was never turned off before installing the Vista 64-bit SP2 update yesterday.

    My system runs Vista 64-bit Home Premium.

    Befoe the update to Vista SP2 there were no problems.
  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:44 PMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    J3soft, you mean, after reverting to SP1, you still have the same problem?

    After I installed SP2, I've about 30secs added to my boot time, about 1 min more after login to get my computer up and ready.
    (Prior to SP2, I was already in the practice of running my computer with minimal and essential-only startup items and a few services disabled)

    Shutdown speed is not improved as claimed by installing SP2.

    Microsoft better get a fix on this ASAP!
  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 1:17 PMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    ctmt,
    Yes, after reverting to SP1 the same problem is there. Since the SP2 update deletes all the system restore points you can't restore to a prior point that might have fixed the problem.

    I don't know if reverting to SP1 then recovering from my backup will help and I'm not sure I want to try that in case it makes things worse.

    Prior to SP2 my system booted quickly, but after SP2 it takes 3 minutes and 10 seconds, before that it probably took a minute to boot or restart, not counting the shutdown time for a restart.

    With User Account Control (UAC) turned on, the only way to get a fast boot is in Safe Mode or Diagnostic startup. Using Msconfig as in Martin's post makes no difference, I tried it several times and never had a normal boot time.

    I only have one user account on my system so there is no manual login required. Shortly after the Welcome screen is displayed, a light blue screen comes on and sits there for over a minute. I video taped the boot sequence for reference

    I certainly hope someone comes up with a real fix for this so I don't have to keep UAC disabled.
  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 1:24 PMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Joseph,

    For SP1, upon booting up, after the GUI screen, it always go straight to the Windows logo thingy and proceed straight to display the login screen without delay.

    For SP2, after the GUI screen, it goes blank and takes 29.06 secs to show the logo (last count), and took a bit of delay to reach the login.

    One supposedly improved area in SP2 is the wireless connection thingy.  So, when I disabled wireless connection, lo and behold!  The startup time feels just like when I had wireless enabled in SP1!!!

    This must be a joke, right?

    On other supposedly improved speed in SP2, I do not notice any advantage in speed whether loading IE, WMP, other programs etc as compared to SP1.

    Btw, I ran the sfc /scannow and it just closed its window after scanning without me getting to see whether something is wrong.

    Well now, just to save boot time, I have to disable wireless connection???

  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:00 PMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    The last thing I want to add here is this:

    I can't shutdown or restart soon after login and loading all system tray icons (or when I feel the computer is ready) without getting the "Warning: TaskEng..." thingy.  Quite annoying really...  I have to wait for a bit more before I can shutdown or restart smoothly (without the warning popping up).

    I had no such problem with SP1.


    (Psst... I like speedy boot ups and shutdowns, due to nature of work (and doing house chore), something cultivated since running Win98 on a machine meant for XP.  I was a 98 die-hard user)

  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:35 PMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    ctmt,
    Disabling even uninstalling both my wireless network and wired network adapters has no effect on the problem.

    Where did you disable your wireless networking? I did it in Device Manager and under Networking all to no avail.
  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:44 PMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I have the same issue, but it takes 15 minutes! to boot ... trouble shooting now.
    Or, waiting for it to boot so I can trouble shoot :-)

    It seems to be my Versapoint RF wireless keyboard (USB). Once I unplug it and plug it in again the boot continues.
    The drivers used are standard MS drivers,
    But I don't really want to do that ever time I boot my computer up.
    • Edited bySineira Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:12 PM
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  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:37 PMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    J3Soft,

    I'm on classic start menu, Settings\Network Connections.  I remember the impossible task of finding it with Vista's start menu, or the daunting search through control panel...

    Wireless keyboard as well?  Seems to be some wireless thingy eh?

    Good news is, at least our OS isn't broken by SP2...
  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:48 PMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    SFC did not detect anything incorrect.
    Not sure what to do next.
  • Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:05 PMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    The keyboard thing was just a coincidence.
    - SFC detects nothing wrong.
    - disabled all non-MS services, still takes over 20min to boot.
    - enabled boot logging but since there are no time stamps I'm not sure at what point it hangs.
    - On the screen it hangs after displaying "enabling boot logging".

    Now what to do?
  • Monday, June 01, 2009 10:34 AMJoseph - Support Engineer Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Hello All,

    Since you have corrupted files I suggest you perform a repair install.

    Repair Installation:

    You may reinstall your copy of Vista while keeping your files, settings, and programs by performing a repair installation or an in-place upgrade with the following steps: (Note:  This does not always resolve all issues, especially if the corruption was caused by a 3rd party program or service, you might need to do a clean installation if this is unsuccessful.)


    <><><><><><><><><><><><> 

    Please make sure you Backup any and all important data before proceeding. Please see: Methods for backing up your files.

    Always make sure you have the means to reinstall your programs, either through an install disk or having access to the installation files.

    <><><><><><><><><><><><> 


    1. Insert the Windows installation disc into your computer's DVD or CD drive. You must start Windows installation while running your existing version of Windows.

    2. On the Install Windows page, click Install now.

    3. On the Get important updates for installation page, we recommend getting the latest updates to help ensure a successful installation and to help protect your computer against security threats. You will need an Internet connection to get installation updates.

    4. On the Type your product key for activation page, we strongly recommend that you type your 25-character product key to help avoid problems during activation.

    5. On the Please read the license terms page, if you accept the license terms, click I accept the license terms.

    6. On the Which type of installation do you want? page, click Upgrade to begin the upgrade. You might see a compatibility report.

    7. Follow the instructions.

    Note: If your installation disk does not include SP1, and you are updated to it, then you will have to uninstall it before performing an upgrade install. Start -> Control Panel -> Programs -> View installed updates, then select Service Pack for Microsoft Windows and click Uninstall.

     


    Note: The following settings will be reset to default:

    Computer Sound Scheme

    Device Drivers

    Visual Effects

    Windows Mail

    Windows Services

     

    If you notice files missing after the upgrade look in the following folders:

    C:\Windows.old

    C:\$INPLACE.~TR

    C:\$WINDOWS.~Q

    These files can be cleared with disk cleanup as "Files discarded by Windows upgrade".

     

    Delete files using Disk Cleanup


    Thanks for using the Answers Forum. Please let us know how this works out.



    Joseph
    Microsoft Answers Support Engineer
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  • Monday, June 01, 2009 1:45 PMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Joseph,
    How many computers have you seen lately that come with a Windows installation CD? At best, most come with a small recovery partition on the hard drive and a way to create a  "Disaster Recovery" disc set. Most end users never create the "Disaster Recovery" disc set.

    Your solution above is beyond the scope of what many end users can perform.

    I've already gone through a similar repair procedure provided by my computer's manufacturer and it doesn't solve anything.

    Other than the 3 minute 10 second startup and restart times, my system appears to be running fine.

    I have physically removed and/or disabled as much hardware as possible and still have a bootable computer and removed virtually all the software that loads on startup all to no avail.

    After reverting to Vista x64 SP1 the problem was still there.

    The first installation of Vista x64 SP2 was done from the file download and a second update was performed from the DVD created from the Vista SP2 Update ISO file downloaded from Microsoft.
  • Monday, June 01, 2009 2:20 PMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Joseph, SFC doesn't report any errors and the system was booting fine before upgrading to SP2.
    A repair install will do nothing.

  • Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:57 AMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Joseph,

    My OEM computer comes with SP1 installed, and it worked without such problems.  To say 3rd party stuff wrecked SP2 is to say SP1 should be wrecked as well, which wasn't the case at all.

    To say there're corrupted files that caused problems in SP2 is to say there were already corrupted files in SP1, since I did not install anything new after the upgrade to SP2.  Then why the heck was there no problem with SP1?

    If SFC doesn't report a problem, then what is corrupted?

    Is SP2 not entirely compatible with drivers that worked for SP1?  I'm sure this is not the case, right?

    I assume you might possibly be implying SP2 corrupted the OS in some other way that is out of SFC's scope???

    Dr Watson???  Any other thing to check?

    If all things fail, I'll contemplate the tedious task of wiping my disk and restore SP1 with the DVDs I made (I wasn't provided with Vista installation disk as well...)
  • Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:12 AMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Oh...

    And for the FIRST TIME EVER since I got my Vista SP1 computer,

    This morning when I boot up,

    The desktop background DID NOT load immediately!!!!

    Took about 10 seconds to show...

    Made me wonder whether my computer mysteriously downgraded itself to XP and Pentium...

    Can I get excited about what else might be in the easter eggs of SP2?

    (guess it wasn't the last thing I wanted to add here after all...)
  • Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:51 AMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Oh dear...

    In this Windows Update forum section, there's a "Please read: Information about Service Pack 2 for Windows Vista and for Windows Server 2008" post, and it says "Disable (1) your anti-virus application... (2)..."

    oH dEAR...

    End-users like me don't know nothing about this...  These type of information are not present in the Windows Update window when it popped-up the SP2 update thingy...

    If my SP2 upgrade ran without a hitch, was it still relevant to disable so-and-so???

    Was it because I didn't do so-and-so, that I had to experience these problems now???

    I managed to locate CBS log, and all I find is about cannot fix something-related to sidebar.  I do not use sidebar, btw...

    If it helps, quotes from CBS...

    (F) STATUS_CANNOT_DELETE #3726142# from RtlRunPrimitiveOperationsFromCallbacksAgainstSil(...)[gle=0xd0000121]

    Hashes for file member \SystemRoot\WinSxS\x86_microsoft-windows-sidebar_31bf3856ad364e35_6.0.6002.18005_none_d0c824c923c9e622\settings.ini do not match actual file [l:24{12}]"settings.ini"

    Cannot repair member file [l:24{12}]"settings.ini" of Microsoft-Windows-Sidebar, Version = 6.0.6002.18005...... hash mismatch

    This component was referenced by [l:158{79}]"Package_16_for_KB948465~31bf3856ad364e35~x86~~6.0.1.18005.948465-49_neutral_GDR"


    Any fix for this?  I'm pretty skeptical this was the cause for the slow boot time.  If this fixes the slow boot time, I'll applaud MS
  • Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:15 PMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Some anti-virus, Internet security software is virtually impossible to totally disable without completly uninstalling it.

    I've tried installing the 64-bit SP2 package with a/v disabled and even competely uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2009 and it makes absolutely no difference.

    Automatic update will download and install critical updates without user intervention, so are you to disable your a/v software in the hopes that Windows will automatically download and install an update while your a/v software is uninstalled?

    Personally, I don't want automatic updates enabled, I prefer to be notified about updates and choose which updates to install. I certainly wish I had chose not to install SP2!

    Microsoft knows enough about main stream a/v software to figure out how to install software without having to disable or uninstall the a/v software. If it was a major issue they would surely vigorously warn users and not permit the updates to be installed. There is a minor warning in the installation instructions about temporarily disabling a/v software, but people who use automatic updates would never see this.

    In my opinion, there should be no problem installing updates as long as you are using a main stream a/v software package.

    If this is a corrupted file issue, maybe Microsoft needs to look at the SP2 update to see what it corrupts.

  • Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:17 PMNelizMastr Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    hehe Quad cores arent in my range of money xD OR IN MY MAINBOARDS RANGE,


    so i still use a 2.6ghz athlon 6 x2. it performs very good, and now on sp1 i get boottimes in the range of 15-25 seconds. but if i upgrade to sp2 I think it will be around 1 to 2 minutes


    UNACCEPTABLE

  • Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:23 PMNelizMastr Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    im experiencing quite some load time when starting up wmp now in SP1, but if SP2 makes your pc worse, I will download a SP2 blocker
  • Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:08 PMGKNewYork Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Joseph,

    I experienced the same slow-down symptoms that other users described here. I have a Sony Vaio VGN-FW290 with Vista Professional, recently installed SP2 and immediately the blck screen that used to brifly flicker after entering my password, now started lasting for more than a minute.
    I have located a possible cause of the problem to be the way SP2 handles the wireless drivers (WiFi and Bluetooth.) My laptop has this hardware switch in the front that disables all wireless when off. If I reboot with the switch off, the start-up process is back to normal. If the wireless switch is on, I have the slowdown.
    If, after rebooting with the switch in the off position, I turn it back on, the WiFi and bluetooth gets activated without problems or delays.

    Microsoft should take a serious look at this and suggest a fix...

    Thanks,
    Georgios
  • Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:01 AMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    My boot time is over 20 minutes after SP2.
  • Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:39 PMThrap Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I have the same problem as Sineira,
    I performed a Vista clean install on a new hard drive and auto updated to SP1. Everything was fine until I then updated to SP2. My machine now takes in excess of 15 minutes to boot to signon. I have a hard wired router so no wireless impact on my installation. I suspect another MS snafu.
  • Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:26 PMThrap Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I installed SP2 prior to installing Mcafee Av so I doubt AV is the problem.
  • Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:04 AMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Using MSCONFIG.EXE I found that disabling the following two services sped the boot time for my HP Core 2 Quad, 2.5 GHz, 8 GB machine from 3 minutes 10 seconds to 1 minute 30 seconds.

    Windows Event Log

    HP CUE DeviceDiscovery Service

    The second service deals with HP All-In-One printers.

    I haven't researched any farther yet after finding these two services to be causing my slow boot problem.
  • Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:42 AMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    J3Soft,

    That's interesting to note.  For me, without event log and collection it probably just made the startup after login slightly better.

    Anyone from MS going to acknowledge our problems with slow booting???

    I read with interest that SP2 beta was released to IT guys for testing.  Most certainly most of them do not use or test it on computers configured for end users.

    For other people they would probably think their computers are broken and send them for repair.

    Anyone from MS going to acknowledge our problems with slow booting???
  • Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:45 AMschack1 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Mine's not that slow, but there has been a very noticeable change in boot times since I installed Vista SP2 a few days ago.  Seems like a step backward.
  • Friday, June 05, 2009 12:01 AMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    After completely uninstalling my HP7410 network printer drivers and software from my Vista 64-bit Home Premium SP2 computer, it booted in about 1 minute 30 seconds.
     
    After that I reinstalled the printer drivers and software using the custom install option and only installed the essential components for the printer. After the reinstall the computer still booted in about 1 minute 30 seconds.
     
    Then I installed one of the "critical" updates for the printer and the slow booting problem returned so I had to uninstall everything again and do another custom reinstall.
     
    This is what HP calls the critical update that caused the slow booting on my computer:
     
    "Critical Update to Enhance Reliability of Network and USB Connectivity and Improve System Responsiveness While Printing"
     
    The update was previously installed under Vista 64-bit SP1 and caused no problems.
     
    Needless to say, I'm not going to install that update again!

    Subjectively, I'd say my computer is still booting a little slower than with Vista 64-bit SP1.
  • Friday, June 05, 2009 12:56 AMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    The interesting thing is that we have plenty of users here yet MS does not seem to be eager to find out what's wrong.
    I'd be happy to spend time and send files for trouble shooting this very annoying issue.
    To make it worse sleep mode doesn't work anymore either so I have to shut the PC down and then wait 22 minutes for it to boot.
    Grrrrrrr ....
  • Friday, June 05, 2009 5:14 AMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I keep looking through the log files.
    It fails to:
    - load a language pack, timeout 30000 ms
    - load driver cdrom
    - load driver i8042.prt
    - start PortIO service
    and 10 minutes later a warning for

    The content source <csc://{s-1-5-21-1388835184-1718984814-2909308215-1000}/> cannot be accessed.

    Context:  Application, SystemIndex Catalog

    Details:
        The object was not found.   (0x80041201)


    I doubt any of that has anythig to do with the slow boot though.

    I have this in PFRO.log
    6/4/2009 21:4:48 - PFRO Error: \??\C:\Windows\TEMP\logishrd\, |delete operation|, 0xc0000101
    6/4/2009 21:4:48 - PFRO Error: \??\C:\Windows\TEMP\logishrd\, |delete operation|, 0xc0000101
    6/4/2009 21:4:48 - 2 Successful PFRO operations


    and the boot log tells us nothing because it only contains data after the hanging is released.

     Service Pack 2 6  4 2009 20:43:28.375
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\hal.dll
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\kdcom.dll
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\PSHED.dll
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\CLFS.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\CI.dll
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\Wdf01000.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\WDFLDR.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\acpi.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\WMILIB.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\msisadrv.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\pci.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\partmgr.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\volmgr.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\volmgrx.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\pciide.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\PCIIDEX.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\mountmgr.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\atapi.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ataport.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\nvstor.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\storport.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\nvstor64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\msahci.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\fltmgr.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\fileinfo.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\ksecdd.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ndis.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\msrpc.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\NETIO.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\tcpip.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\fwpkclnt.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Ntfs.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\wd.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\volsnap.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\spldr.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\sbp2port.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\mup.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\ecache.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\fvevol.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\disk.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\CLASSPNP.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\crcdisk.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\tunnel.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\tunmp.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\intelppm.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\dxgkrnl.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\nvlddmkm.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\usbuhci.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\usbehci.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\HDAudBus.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\WMP300Nv1x64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ohci1394.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\msiscsi.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rasl2tp.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ndistapi.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ndiswan.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\raspppoe.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\raspptp.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rassstp.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\pcouffin.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rdpdr.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\termdd.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\kbdclass.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mouclass.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\swenum.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\WmBEnum.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\WmXlCore.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mssmbios.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\umbus.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\usbhub.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
    Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\LVUSBS64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\HdAudio.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ksthunk.sys
    Did not load driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\cdrom.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Fs_Rec.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Null.SYS
    Did not load driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\i8042prt.sys
    Did not load driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\kbdhid.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\vga.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\RDPCDD.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\rdpencdd.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Msfs.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Npfs.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\rasacd.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\tdx.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\smb.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\aswTdi.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\afd.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\aswRdr.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\netbt.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\pacer.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\netbios.sys
    Did not load driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\serial.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\wanarp.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rdbss.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\nsiproxy.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\csc.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\dfsc.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\aswSP.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ftdibus.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\ftser2k.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\serenum.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\LVUSBS64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\OnAirGt64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\usbccgp.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\iMON_x64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\lvuvc64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\lvpopf64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\usbaudio.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\lvrs64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\hidusb.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\kbdhid.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mouhid.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\monitor.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\luafv.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\aswMonFlt.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\aswFsBlk.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\drmkaud.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\lltdio.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\nwifi.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ndisuio.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rspndr.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\HTTP.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srvnet.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\bowser.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\mpsdrv.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\mrxdav.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb10.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb20.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv2.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv.sys
    Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv.sys
    Loaded driver \??\C:\Windows\nvflsh64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\peauth.sys
    Did not load driver \SystemRoot\SysWow64\Drivers\PortIO.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\secdrv.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\tcpipreg.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\LVPr2M64.sys
    Loaded driver \??\C:\Windows\nvoclk64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\tdtcp.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\tssecsrv.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\RDPWD.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\asyncmac.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\MSPQM.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\MSPCLOCK.sys

    So what can I turn on to see what happens before the dear bootlog kicks in?
  • Friday, June 05, 2009 12:03 PMJ3Soft Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    It's impossible for a software manufacturer to test every possible computer configuration that their software might be used with and correct every possible problem before the software's release.

    I'm not particularly defendnig MS for releasing an update that so many people report problems with after installing, but I can understand why there might be problems.

    To release an update that causes problems with so many computers and computers only using mainstream hardware and software does bother me, especially when these same computers, hardware and software caused no problems with the previously released version.

    I can't believe that some BETA tester didn't see and report at least some of these problems.

  • Friday, June 05, 2009 1:10 PMLouis D Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Check if you are using the 64 version.
  • Friday, June 05, 2009 1:20 PMLouis D Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Check if you are using the 64bit version.
  • Friday, June 05, 2009 6:01 PMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Yes, Vista 64. So what?
  • Friday, June 05, 2009 11:12 PMdjbuk Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Make sure the Readyboost service is running and set to auto start (readyboot is implemented in this service) - solved my problem.

  • Friday, June 05, 2009 11:49 PMbekaa Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Thanks for your suggestion, J3Soft:

    I removed the software for my HP PSC 3310 printer (which in turn also removed the apparently problematic HP's "Critical Update to Enhance Reliability of Network and USB Connectivity and Improve System Responsiveness While Printing", reinstalled the HP software without the update, and voila, my Windows Vista Home Premium SP2 system is back to normal.

    A word of caution for the HP software uninstall: Since HP's software removal might leave some items behind in the system that might make a fresh software install problematic, I recommend the tutorial on this page, starting at "List of HP softwares that may be removed" through chapter g). A fresh printer software download from HP's software and driver page will do the rest.

    There might be other causes that create an extremely long boot-up after the SP2 installation, but this one did it for me.

    Good job, J3Soft...!

  • Saturday, June 06, 2009 1:36 PMTech_Dude Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Vista Ultimate 64-bit here.

    Since installing SP2 I have suffered extended boot times. I see a black screen for anywhere up to 2 minutes before the Orb appears. After this point, the system returns to normal.

    The initial part of Vista loading also appears normal, EXCEPT for this gap between the bar disappearing and the Orb appearing.

    Intel Core2 Duo E6700 (stock speed)
    Intel i975X Chipset
    4Gb DDR2 800MHz RAM
    1Gb GeForce 7950GX2
    2x 500 Gb WD RE2 SATAII in RAID-0
    SB Audigy 1 Platinum

    Nothing is on this system except MS FSX (XP is too good for day to day stuff, sorry guys...).

    ReadyBoost is DISABLED here currently, as I thought it was one reason Vista uses 900 Mb of memory after boot. WTF?
  • Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:16 AMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I am definitely going to restore to SP1 from my manual backup dvd today!  I didn't know the option to clean SP1 and Vista files also clear the restore point to SP1!  Great!!!  I'm so lack of MS education....

    Language bar is totally missing!  Couldn't get it to show up on desktop or anywhere!  The Keyboard settings revert back to show language bar in taskbar automatically, yet it never show up since the conversion to SP2.... After switching to another language through "Ctrl-Space", I couldn't revert back to English!

    Woe is me!  Woe is me!

    This'll be mah last post here in SP2!  See ya folks!

  • Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:59 AMctmt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Happy to report I'm back to SP1....

    Mwua hua ha ha ha....

  • Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:43 AMcn_bryan Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    don't you think this is conspiracy from MS, they want you to think purchasing Windows 7 or upgrading those fancy hardwares are necessary.
  • Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:02 PMSabien_free Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Hi,

    following this thread, I really feal sorry for you guys.

    And the answer MS people give cannot give statisfication.
    You have my regret.....

    May I suggest you set your startup configuration to "NoGUIboot", to see exactly more WHERE the system takes it's startup time for?

    Also monitor your Event Log Viewers over there if there is any logged reference showing some more diagnostics.

    And what do you users with slow boots on SP2 actually have incommon? Share some system specifications maybe a light starts to flash then.....


    Bye,
    Sabine
    ---Just a HP Mini Netbook running Windows 7 RC ---
  • Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:38 PMCorewalker Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    <yawn>
    did anyone read what the updates consist of in SP2?
    try updating your hardware drivers- all of them, one at a time to figure out what your hardware is doing to slow the boot

    sabien, can you suggest a meaning for "statisfication"
  • Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:48 PMSabien_free Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Hi,

    statisfication is that they do or do not offer as solution like it should be, is technically possible, and meets user's demand.

    The answers MS folks gave until now were irrelevant to what these users are experiencing.
    (in my opinion of how to handle your loyal customers)

    Bye,
    Sabine
    ---Just a HP Mini Netbook running Windows 7 RC ---
  • Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:09 PMCorewalker Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    right, i think you made it up. 
    the first tech suggested a clean boot, logical as this user is complaining about slow boot process
    the next tech suggested using a system file checker. corrupt files can't cause a slow boot? 
    also, the user does have corrupt files that he has not repaired.
    irrelevant? hardly


    here in ireland we've erected a small statue to MS for bringing the world into the computing age
  • Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:21 PMSabien_free Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Hi,

    yes, but they brought Ireland lots of work and economical progress! Logical you are happy with it. They build offices and employ half of Dublin, don't they???

    I think the first suggestion could have been asking for more information before you suggest something. OK, the answers have some relevance when you see it like you do.

    I have some MCDST books here and what they teach on how to get a diagnosis and how to approach a customer, is different from how the techs do it here, that was just what I notice.
    That's why I feel sorry for those users.....

    But this thread is nearly closed and what we write is off-topic so let's go fishing....

    Bye,
    Sabine
    ---Just a HP Mini Netbook running Windows 7 RC ---
  • Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:57 PMCorewalker Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    first point, your right about dublin, but a successful economy is just that
    second point, your right more info could have been a wise choice, which brings me to the next point
    third point, books are books and experience is experience
    fourth point, i'd love to go fishing - thanks  ;]
  • Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:15 PMCorewalker Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    copied from Sineiras post
    "Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\tcpipreg.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\LVPr2M64.sys
    Loaded driver \??\C:\Windows\nvoclk64.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\tdtcp.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\tssecsrv.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\RDPWD.SYS
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\asyncmac.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\MSPQM.sys
    Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\MSPCLOCK.sys

    So what can I turn on to see what happens before the dear bootlog kicks in?"

    Filename: mspclock.sys
    Directory: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\
    File Description: MS Proxy Clock Product Name: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
    Size (in bytes): 5,376 File Date: 8/4/2004 1:58:38 AM
    File Function: Sound Driver

    try your sound card driver Sineira
  • Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:32 PMwornout99 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Happy to report I'm back to SP1....

    Mwua hua ha ha ha....

    Me too.  I installed SP2 on June 3rd.   I am running a 64bit machine.   I backed SP2 out today, June 11 as I have had it with the slow boot.  I think I am going to try it again, I will just wait for Windows 7.  I don't think I should have to jump through hoops to install a Microsoft Product, or any product for that matter, when I am running a more or less vanilla set of programs on this computer. 

    I read some of the reasons for slow boot and don't think the average user should have to go tweaking there system just to make it work, that is Microsoft's job during testing.  This is such a shame on their behalf.   
  • Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:56 PMswt111 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     Proposed Answer

    SLOW VISTA AFTER SP2 UPDATE

    ********  SOLVED ************

    I BUILT A BRAND NEW SUPER-RIG   - BOOT TIME IS NOW 35 SECONDS AND IT IS INSTANTLY RESPONSIVE WHEN RUNNING ANYTHING

    I was originally spending £1400.00 - but did more research and got it down to around half that costing.

    MOBO:           ASUS RAMPAGE II GENE
    PROC:           CORE i7 920
    RAM:             6GB  OCZ
    O/S DRIVE:    OCZ 64GB SSD
    HDD:             WESTERN DIGITAL 300GB RAPTOR
    CD/DVD/RW:  SONY        

    CASE:            LIAN LI V350
    PSU:              OCZ STEALTHSTREAM 600W

    It did take weeks to choose my components but it was well worth the wait and patience.

    And it did take me 3 days to build and 1 full day just to install vista and all updates including SP2 ect and all other drivers ect  but the results are excellent and well worth the cost.

    Ive got a cheap graphics card in at the moment - but will be choosing a top spec one soon.

    • Proposed As Answer byswt111 Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:57 PM
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  • Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:11 PMSabien_free Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Hi,

    it is not clear to me, what this post of yours is actually solving.

    Do we all have to buy those PC components you mention if we want to run Vista SP2 fast?

    But thanks for your weeks of research, but can you be more clear of what the solution to which problem is?

    Since all kinds of general public not subscribed to this thread follow it as well you know.


    Bye,
    Sabine
    ---Just a HP Mini Netbook running Windows 7 RC ---
  • Friday, June 12, 2009 11:44 PMscuba_ninja Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I've seen this problem for years after every Service Pack.  It's not just your computer, it's everyone's computer.  Try to do a defrag first before you do anything drastic.  In case you didn't notice, when the SP was installing it should have sounded like your hard drive was going nuts.  Unfortunately, the SP has to do so much writing and moving of data that file fragmentation is almost impossible to avoid.  If a hard drive is just 10% fragmented it will produce a noticeable decrease in performance.  I remember one  Service Pack ended up fragmenting my drive by 40% after it was done!  My advice would be to start Disk Defragmenter and then go get a cup of coffee because it will take a while, but you'll be pleased with the results after you're done.  Also, if wouldn't hurt to empty your drive of junk by using Disk Cleanup before you defrag with Disk Defragmenter (both are located under Start/Accessories/System Tools).

    Hope this helps,

    Cheers!
  • Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:24 PMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Happy to report that it doesn't complete a boot anymore.
    I upgraded the BIOS and after that it get's to the start of the bootlog and sits there, foreever.
    So thanks, now I have to waste countless hours of my time to reinstall Vista again. POS!

    Sineira
  • Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:22 PMSineira Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Installed Windows 7 instead.
    Works ok except for the standard ethernet connection ...
  • Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:53 AMpolynyu_student Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I did a total fresh install of vista, installed SP1 and then SP2 , did all the updates. Now it takes 2:13 to start up compared to 1:00 min. Also i have noticed funny things with the wireless. But i bought the win 7 upgrade at half price, i'll give the 50 dollars beucase i want to try Microsoft one more time.
  • Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:08 AMvbee Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     Proposed Answer
    To solve this problem defragment your computer. Installing service pack 2 causes serious fragmentation of your hard drive, and hence the slow boot as well as slow operating system.

    Enjoy!
    • Proposed As Answer byvbee Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:08 AM
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  • Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:59 AMBenoliwal Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    I too switched back to SP1. When I installed SP2 the first time a few months back my computer slowed way down, my Internet connection began to consistantly drop, and boot time was like a snail, and loging off or loging on took minuutes. Like several people here I also have an HP computer with a duo core, sufficient memory, and a lot of disk space.

    With SP2 I also found that my system32 was easily corrupted, resulting in a very unstable computer. I did a clean install and updated with SP1. My machine was fast. Boot time in seconds, loging in and loging out fast, the Internet connection stopped dropping every few seconds. Doesn' drop anymore. My upload speed is now where it should be, very fast, and download has picked up speed as well. Then I decided to try SP2 one more time. When I did that, ____ began all over again, so I immediately uninstalled SP2. I am now running again with SP1 and I couldn't be any happier.

    For MS to put the blame on 3rd party applications, or even certain parts of its own OS is silly. The problem is with SP2. It comes in like a bad headache and messes everything up when things were running very well thank you with SP1.

    One thing I do see in common is that there are quite a few HP machines, but its not HP or HP's software that is or are the culprit. The real culprit is SP2.

    On a side note: I can't even do Windows updates now because every time I try, the only critical update that comes up is SP2, and I refuse to install SP2 again. SP2 needs to be toned down. Far too much is packed into it, trying to do to much all at one time. Now, I know that that might not wash, but computers that were running just fine under SP1 becoming corrupted after SP2 only points to SP2.

    Going through all the steps the first MS engineer suggested is garbage. Fix SP2 that is what it comes down to.


    Human Rights Activist
  • Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:09 AMBenoliwal Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    As a follow on to my previous post. The UAC also became corrupted under SP2 and it took a long time for my computer to recognize my administrator account. Things got so bad after the first use of SP2 that I checked system32 and practically all the files in system32 were corrupted. This all happened after installing SP2.

    Here is one thought. SP2 for Vista was supposed to have been made for Vista, whether 32 bit or 64 bit, so installing SP2 should not have caused any significant problems to the OS but it did and it does. Fix SP2 to be compatable with the OS it was meant for, and while that is being done, if it gets done, allow updates to occur without SP2 popping in as the only update to be installed.
    Human Rights Activist
  • Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:51 PMnosp24me Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    As a follow on to my previous post. The UAC also became corrupted under SP2 and it took a long time for my computer to recognize my administrator account. Things got so bad after the first use of SP2 that I checked system32 and practically all the files in system32 were corrupted. This all happened after installing SP2.

    Here is one thought. SP2 for Vista was supposed to have been made for Vista, whether 32 bit or 64 bit, so installing SP2 should not have caused any significant problems to the OS but it did and it does. Fix SP2 to be compatable with the OS it was meant for, and while that is being done, if it gets done, allow updates to occur without SP2 popping in as the only update to be installed.
    Human Rights Activist

    I agree completely with your two posts Benoliwal. I uninstalled sp2 after a day of trouble shooting it. My bluetooth quit working, my wireless connection quit also. I went through the clean boots etc. suggested here by the engineers, but came to the conclusion that sp2 is the problem. An average user has no idea what they are talking about. Some of their suggestions may cause the casual user more harm then good. I came to the conclusion that since my machine was fine with sp1 and imediatley after the auto update of sp2 all these problems popped up- it is MS's problem not mine. I refuse to waste my time troubleshooting a service pack that obviously was not very well beta tested. Blocking sp2 blocks all other updates but so be it. I doubt if ms will put much effort into a fix for this after rolling out windows 7.
    Thanks for your thoughtfull posts, the only one I have read that actually made sense.
  • Friday, November 06, 2009 1:52 PMIggman Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Same problem, service pack 2 and now i have 1-2 min added to my boot time...    I have reinstalled windows three times now trying to fix this problem, tried only installing windows updates/recommended drivers, new drivers, old drivers, still 3min boot up.  And people saying to wait it speeds up over a week or so, it DOESN'T!!  Also if you install Microsoft Security Essentials this aggravates the problem even more.


    This is with Vista home premium 64-bit
    Phenom II 940 3ghz Quad core
    Foxconn Destroyer motherboard
    8gb 1066 Ram
    Geforce 9800GTX +
    WD Caviar Black 600gb
    750w Antec power supply

    This kind of hardware should not take 2-3mins to boot, especially when I had around 30sec boot times before sp2, it just boggles my mind. Once its past the antagonizing slow boot everything is as fast as it should be, you click on something its there before you can blink twice.
  • Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:58 PMFranks Computers Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    This is a good resourse for MSCONFIG there is a lot of good infromation about the procedures and what to do when there is a problem such as a damaged MBR you can fix a varity of prob;ems if you read and understand the process. Here is the Web Page for info at http://www.optimizingpc.com/vista/msconfig.html
    I hope that helps you. you can also sped up the Boot Process by going to MSCONFIG and selecting the Boot Tab and going to the Advanced section There is a option to select how many CPU's that you are running if you have dual core set this to 2 then set the memory to max memory That will speed up the process a lot My System was set for 1 CPU and I had a dual core Penitum T2080 with 2 GB of Memory So The Process was not using the 2 cpu's or the memory. Try this and let me know. There is a lot of good info at this site about the MSCONFIG and enabling it if it is not enabled.

    Frank Duffey
    Franks Computers
    Retired Computer Business Owner
  • Sunday, November 22, 2009 12:03 AMOliverSchmidt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Got this problem too. Nothing Works, save your time. 
    I'm a Fulltime IT-Professional since 1989.

    I tried:
    - Disable workstationservice
    - Disable all sorts of virusscanner
    - Disable Lan-Connection
    - Deinstallation all HP-Software
    - Msconfig
    - all sorts of registry-Keys
    - Disable Aero
    - Second Admin
    - Disable all sorts of devices
    ...

    There is Only one Solution: Trink a coup of coffee, while your PC is starting. Just accept it. 

    You remember ? Windows 98 Shutdown

    Good night.
  • Friday, December 25, 2009 6:05 PMMike in Northern VA Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    My problem is after the login screen and entering the password. I thought it was the HP Photosmart All-In-One and McAfee together. I did a restore from previous a couple of times.

    Here are my steps that worked for my Father-In-Laws Dell E1505 Inspiron laptop:

    Start > type in msconfig.exe in the Start Search > Enter >
    You'll probably have to click 'Continue' on the User Access Control dialog box >
    Click on the Startup tab > Disable McAfee Security Center >
    Click on the Services Tab > Disable McAfee Services >
    Click Ok > Click Restart
    It takes anywhere from 9 to 21 seconds for the desktop to show.

    It looks like I might have to switch him over to AVG instead. McAfee doesn't mention anything to SP2 for Vista.

  • Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:19 PMeagleVinegar Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I can only boot Vista in safe mode. Can (should?)  one do a clean boot in safe mode?
  • Monday, January 18, 2010 5:32 PMsonic the hedgehog Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Yes i finally upgraded to sp2 (vista 32 business), damm it, wish i had seen this forum first. it now takes 3 cups of coffee to load (5-6 mins). no fixes yet, this is bull MS, now you know why people switch to mac',s etc. is there anyone who boots just as fast or faster, i doubt it. Thanks again MS. Get a fix or keep losing customers.
  • Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:15 PMsvjrr Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Yes, same thing happened to me. Upgraded to Vista SP2, and my dell notebook takes 5 min to display the login screen. Contacted MS support - wasted a week, uninstalling all the programs they have asked me to do. Even uninstalled McAfee. Still have the same problem. By the way this computer came with Vista loaded when I bought from Dell. Before SP2 the boot up time is < 10 sec. The above procedure to disable the services in the msconfig.exe did not work. It is SP2. Why don't they admit and fix it. I am very dissatisfied. I may buy a Mac.